When will covid end ? Please be nice and respectful to others

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Think the deluge of IT'S FINE headlines this morning will probably pressure them to not put in restrictions, I can't see anything more than some very light touch stuff now unless the hospitalisations get bad.

On the downside I do think all the attention on these new studies will affect people's behaviour going into Christmas, because a huge portion of people will have been sensible over the past week or so, so there'll inevitably be a big increase in actual cases over the next week or so now people might be a bit more lax about mixing.

Id rather people weren't overly scared of a milder variant. If you're triple jabbed, then you should crack on with life

 

Politically, if Owen Jones and Andy Burnham are against more restrictions, then i doubt there is the political impetus for more restrictions. I doubt the Plan B rebels are goingt o suddenly change their mind now, and will be joined by more of the Tory party

Edited December 23, 2021 by zahidf

[steviewevie]

27 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Id rather people weren't overly scared of a milder variant. If you're triple jabbed, then you should crack on with life

 

Politically, if Owen Jones and Andy Burnham are against more restrictions, then i doubt there is the political impetus for more restrictions. I doubt the Plan B rebels are goingt o suddenly change their mind now, and will be joined by more of the Tory party

Not sure if Boris Johnson cares too much what Burnham and Jones are saying.

[steviewevie]

Personal risk if fully vaccinated isn't the issue with this variant, it is more the risk to health care services and other stuff.

[steviewevie]

That FT bloke thread...

 

[jannybruck]

34 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Id rather people weren't overly scared of a milder variant. If you're triple jabbed, then you should crack on with life

As has been explained to you over the past couple of days, if everyone "cracks on" with it at once there's still a decent chance that could filter into hospitalisations, or bits of the economy just grinding to a halt. Keeping the figures simmering and letting people get infected slower and more consistently over Christmas/New Year is way better than a huge spike when people go "nah, fuck it, papers say it's just a cold".

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

As has been explained to you over the past couple of days, if everyone "cracks on" with it at once there's still a decent chance that could filter into hospitalisations, or bits of the economy just grinding to a halt. Keeping the figures simmering and letting people get infected slower and more consistently over Christmas/New Year is way better than a huge spike when people go "nah, fuck it, papers say it's just a cold".

Doesn't mean you should lie to people though. Some of the PHE stuff about 'no evidence of it being milder ' feels close to them lying to the public to get them to act how they want.

[zahidf]

 

 

[efcfanwirral]

4 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

Huge lack of certainty again for businesses. Pubs and restaurants putting their orders in for next week with no idea if we'll get a boxing day/27th press conference. 

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Doesn't mean you should lie to people though. Some of the PHE stuff about 'no evidence of it being milder ' feels close to them lying to the public to get them to act how they want.

yeah, they could have said it might be milder but we're not 100% sure yet as SA is in a different situation to us and we want to study the evidence here first so treat it seriously if possible just in case.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Huge lack of certainty again for businesses. Pubs and restaurants putting their orders in for next week with no idea if we'll get a boxing day/27th press conference. 

it will be guidance. Go to the pub, but don't go to the pub.

[zahidf]

Wonder if we will follow the Yanks? Two negative LFTs should be enough to get out of quarantine I reckon

[hodgey123]

Feels a bit of shifting the goal posts given the hospitalisation rate looks to be much lower than with Delta. I mean, she has a point re the NHS and how it is functioning, but the answer is not to lock down society (very short term solution which she argues against in the thread) but to properly invest! 

[efcfanwirral]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Wonder if we will follow the Yanks? Two negative LFTs should be enough to get out of quarantine I reckon

Yeah it makes a lot of sense - we've got the tests yet don't seem to trust them

Edited December 23, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, hodgey123 said:

Feels a bit of shifting the goal posts given the hospitalisation rate looks to be much lower than with Delta. I mean, she has a point re the NHS and how it is functioning, but the answer is not to lock down society (very short term solution which she argues against in the thread) but to properly invest! 

definitely need to properly invest, which means more taxes....but this is a short term properly and money isn't going to fix it immediately.

[zahidf]

 

Why GOING HARD EARLY backfires if you're trying to do boosters

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by zahidf

[JoeyT]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

Why GOING HARD EARLY backfires if you're trying to do boosters

 

Literally what I’ve been saying for the past few weeks…

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

Why GOING HARD EARLY backfires if you're trying to do boosters

 

until they need a booster to go and watch.

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

 

Why GOING HARD EARLY backfires if you're trying to do boosters

 

Also no real logic in the decisions - I get the need to keep social contact going to "allow Christmas" but when it comes to mass events like that, how is it OK to still go to one last night but suddenly they need closing on boxing day. How can anyone take the need for it seriously when you go from no social distancing to no spectators at all in a few days?

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

until they need a booster to go and watch.

I'm almost certain that'll be the case next time those events open 

[efcfanwirral]

https://www.northamptonchron.co.uk/health/coronavirus/response-issued-after-claim-that-first-omicron-death-in-uk-happened-in-northampton-3501629 - sets up a debate of if propaganda is acceptable for a good cause e.g. pushing the vaccine program? Because whoever called this in is not what they seemed

[zahidf]

St Nicola's power trip

 

This is a nightmare before Christmas, says Scottish nightclub owner

Earlier, ministers in Scotland announced nightclubs would have to close for at least three weeks from 27 December.

Donald MacLeod, who owns the Cathouse and Garage nightclubs in Glasgow, accused the Scottish government of "scaremongering" and "ignoring" evidence which suggests Omicron is milder than other variants.

He also said he had not heard any details on when promised government funding would be available to businesses.

"It's certainly not going to be in place before Christmas," he said.

"This is a nightmare before Christmas for all manner of businesses - ever since Public Health Scotland went rogue two weeks ago and scared everybody off the streets, the economy has been sliding in a vortex ring of doom and gloom.

"This is disgraceful, this is no way to run an industry never mind a country. It's contemptuous."

[Justiceforcedave]

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-119-789-new-coronavirus-cases-highest-daily-figure-since-start-of-pandemic-12502939

[Justiceforcedave]

3 minutes ago, Justiceforcedave said:

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-records-119-789-new-coronavirus-cases-highest-daily-figure-since-start-of-pandemic-12502939

There won't be anyone left to catch it soon.

[zahidf]

Lol: so restrictions like social distancing reduces hosptilisations by 10% at peak. (Paragraph 19)

 

No thanks. Completely kills the justification for restrictions 

 

Edited December 23, 2021 by zahidf

[JoeyT]

Say no more.

 

[zahidf]

26 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Say no more.

 

Also protection from minor illness wanes post booster: do you really want to push a wave LATER when more people will have less protection?