Sneaking in story

[Skip997]

18 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Security need more manpower would be my call … there were some obvious places that didn’t have any where previously they would have done . 

 

Security used to do a site sweep on the Wednesday to remove anyone without legit wristbands.

Not sure when or why that stopped.

There did seem to be less security this year. The "back entrance" to the SE corner, which avoids the one-way system was left unguarded this year. Thankfully very few seem to know of it, and I ain't telling.

[gooner1990]

1 hour ago, Gnomicide said:

Ooo.... How were RATM?

Ahh, yes they were v good…was odd with ZDLR sat on a box though!

played all the hits and some were on stage for about 1 1/2 hrs didn’t say anything to the crowd though! Started with Bombtrack which got everyone going!

I paid $145 for a seat in the front row 😳.  Standing was about $300!  A pint of Heineken was $17.50! 

on a side note there are a lot of crack heads around MSG/Penn station!

[Crazyfool01]

27 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

Yup that's the Cockmill Lane ford seen from south side to my earlier photo.  Im guessing this might be the tree stump...?

 

I think that’s what I presumed and it wasn’t so I had to climb back onto the road again and go a bit further 

[parsonjack]

21 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I think that’s what I presumed and it wasn’t so I had to climb back onto the road again and go a bit further 

Ha that's the problem with woods....tree stumps all over the place. 

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

Ha that's the problem with woods....tree stumps all over the place. 

fortunately i took a battery pack when i met my brother ( always seem to carry them weirdly ) and the video call eventually sorted it . 

[mufcok]

4 hours ago, gooner1990 said:

Why are people filming themselves breaking in and then putting it online?, surely this renders the method useless in future if the organisers see the video?

My thoughts exactly.

It's definitely legit but there's gonna be a lot of angry Liverpudlians now, because that Scouse tunnel will be no more when the festival get their hands on that footage

Edited August 17, 2022 by mufcok

[Leyrulion]

31 minutes ago, mufcok said:

My thoughts exactly.

It's definitely legit but there's gonna be a lot of angry Liverpudlians now, because that Scouse tunnel will be no more when the festival get their hands on that footage

Cash free wristbands coming soon. Harder to sneak in if you can't buy anything on site. 🤣

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Leyrulion said:

Cash free wristbands coming soon. Harder to sneak in if you can't buy anything on site. 🤣

Just get others to do it for you ? 

[Leyrulion]

4 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Just get others to do it for you ? 

Ok, there may be some ways round it.... 

[Skip997]

7 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Cash free wristbands coming soon. Harder to sneak in if you can't buy anything on site. 🤣

That could kill it for me, although I buy very little on site anyway.

[Leyrulion]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

That could kill it for me, although I buy very little on site anyway.

It's what everyone said before BoomTown and I am now a huge convert to it.  

If crowd management into site is getting harder then they might have to think about more ways of making it harder/less inviting to sneak in. 

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

It's what everyone said before BoomTown and I am now a huge convert to it.  

If crowd management into site is getting harder then they might have to think about more ways of making it harder/less inviting to sneak in. 

Here's Shambala festival organisers view on RFID, which I believe is what was used at Boomtown:

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we are uncomfortable with the ethics and some elements of implementation of current RFID schemes available and are not going RFID cashless at this year’s Shambala.

Shambala are, to the best of my knowledge, the most forward thinking and ethical festival in the UK, if they don't like RFID then it's likely to be dodgy in some way. Although they do have their own cashless scheme:
 

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At Shambala 2022 all our festival bars, food traders, merchandise points, our public info point and the tobacco kiosk, will accept contactless card payments (including chip and pin processing and mobile phone activated payments such as Apple pay). 

Our bars, merchandise points, the tobacco kiosk and the public info point will not accept cash. In order to spend cash at these locations you will need to visit the Kiosk (next to Public Info) to exchange and load your cash onto Cash To Card.

Cash to Card can be used at;

Festival Bars (excluding some micro-bars)

Public Info (full merchandise range available here)

Tobacco kiosk

Any other participating vendors

Cash to Card is a biodegradable wallet sized card with a unique (and anonymous) QR code. This can then be used to pay for goods at any of the above locations.

 

 

[Sawdusty surfer]

10 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

Here’s my instructions I needed  to follow to find his kit I’d imagine he got in in the rough vicinity of where the bag was dumped … over the fence 

Jeez. Will have seemed so straightforward to him when he typed it. 🤣🤣🤣

[Gnomicide]

That video has made it to a news story in The Mirror, no doubt it will soon be picked up by others now.

That route in may as well be written off now.

[Leyrulion]

4 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

That video has made it to a news story in The Mirror, no doubt it will soon be picked up by others now.

That route in may as well be written off now.

Tbh I think the festival might be a little pleased that this is the one that went viral, it still makes it looks impossibly hard to get in and is an easy fix for next year. 

It's the guy that looks to have just walked past Oxfam stewards at a busy period a few pages back that I'd be worried about.

[Gnomicide]

16 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

Tbh I think the festival might be a little pleased that this is the one that went viral, it still makes it looks impossibly hard to get in and is an easy fix for next year. 

It's the guy that looks to have just walked past Oxfam stewards at a busy period a few pages back that I'd be worried about.

Fair point.

[incident]

10 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

Cash free wristbands coming soon. Harder to sneak in if you can't buy anything on site. 🤣

Not a chance. Not even close to a chance. Even ignoring the unpleasant ethics of it, just imagine the sheer logistics involved with trying to do that at Glastonbury. Specifically, consider all of the different virtually self governing enclaves that'd have to be brought onside and coordinate their traders - for example places in the Craft and Healing Fields amongst others are invited in by the respective area organisers rather than being centrally managed. Getting anything close to universal takeup would be an extra unnecessary strain on both GFL and the various areas, and the amount of internal harmony/goodwill it'd cost just wouldn't be worth it.

Actually let's not ignore the unpleasant ethics. The primary reason you see unethical Festivals introducing schemes like this is simple - it's so that they can track you and your money. They can collate all the data and see exactly what someone bought, and where, and when, and can identify patterns - which they can then use to work out how to squeeze more cash out of both punters and traders in future years. How many people at Glastonbury will accept their entire financial activity being tracked across a Festival weekend?

I just can't see Glastonbury introducing something so obviously surveillant, even if that's just because they'd want to avoid the inevitable shitstorm that'd follow - which obviously would be several multiples louder than the one at Boomtown because the media will jump on anything vaguely Glastonbury related while largely ignoring Boomtown most of the time. GFL probably will put QR Codes or RFID chips on the wristbands sooner or later - but realistically it'll only be used for access control at the gates rather than anything more nefarious.

[brendan84]

On 7/28/2022 at 1:20 PM, kingbadger said:

Dick the bookie from the barside at Layer Road, Colchester U's old ground, is a notorious blagger. Genuinely is a case of seeing him pop up at sporting events he just blags into. Been in the ring after a Mayweather fight, celebrating Hamilton winning a F1 race, led back a Cheltenham Gold Cup winner. Bloke blagged his way into Leonardo Di Caprio's birthday or something when he was out in Vegas. Legend. 

If its the same bloke I'm thinking off he was leading in cameron Smith an few weeks ago after he won the open golf. 

[moogster]

These guys are a bit like anti-hack security specialists. Find the flaws, share them, help GL fix (some) issues.

"OK what do we have:

- Hey someone fit through the tunnel gate, note for next year, make sure those fences are tight

- Noted boss"

I do hope the Oxfam folks from the previous vid don't get in too much trouble though...

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, incident said:

Actually let's not ignore the unpleasant ethics. The primary reason you see unethical Festivals introducing schemes like this is simple - it's so that they can track you and your money. They can collate all the data and see exactly what someone bought, and where, and when, and can identify patterns - which they can then use to work out how to squeeze more cash out of both punters and traders in future years. How many people at Glastonbury will accept their entire financial activity being tracked across a Festival weekend?

Or y'know, they could use it to make a better festival all around. The Growler was always a popular market stall but they dumped it as it didn't fit with what they wanted the food offering to be. Pieminister were very popular but were dropped because they got too big. I don't think the approach to the markets at Glastonbury has ever been driven purely by profit.

So assuming having loads of data on exact what people are buying would lead to them working out how to squeeze the most cash out of folks as possible doesn't seem right to me. Given that that doesn't seem to be how the markets operate right now. Collating the data is not inherently ethically bad. And I'm pretty sure they already do collate data from traders on sales, etc. It's how you use it. Yes, in most cases it's used for "evil" but since when have Glastonbury been "most cases"?

[incident]

Just now, DeanoL said:

Or y'know, they could use it to make a better festival all around. The Growler was always a popular market stall but they dumped it as it didn't fit with what they wanted the food offering to be. Pieminister were very popular but were dropped because they got too big. I don't think the approach to the markets at Glastonbury has ever been driven purely by profit.

So assuming having loads of data on exact what people are buying would lead to them working out how to squeeze the most cash out of folks as possible doesn't seem right to me. Given that that doesn't seem to be how the markets operate right now. Collating the data is not inherently ethically bad. And I'm pretty sure they already do collate data from traders on sales, etc. It's how you use it. Yes, in most cases it's used for "evil" but since when have Glastonbury been "most cases"?

Hold on a second, I think you're arguing against a point I didn't make. I'm literally saying Glastonbury won't do that. They won't implement a system like this, and so they won't (mis)use the data it generates.

There is obviously a huge difference between the "broad strokes" data they currently collect (which roughly speaking will be how much the trader sold per product per day, with no individual or even demographic info attached), and being able to track the entire itemised purchase history of every individual attendee so don't see how that's relevant.

[Leyrulion]

3 hours ago, incident said:

Not a chance. Not even close to a chance. Even ignoring the unpleasant ethics of it, just imagine the sheer logistics involved with trying to do that at Glastonbury. Specifically, consider all of the different virtually self governing enclaves that'd have to be brought onside and coordinate their traders - for example places in the Craft and Healing Fields amongst others are invited in by the respective area organisers rather than being centrally managed. Getting anything close to universal takeup would be an extra unnecessary strain on both GFL and the various areas, and the amount of internal harmony/goodwill it'd cost just wouldn't be worth it.

Actually let's not ignore the unpleasant ethics. The primary reason you see unethical Festivals introducing schemes like this is simple - it's so that they can track you and your money. They can collate all the data and see exactly what someone bought, and where, and when, and can identify patterns - which they can then use to work out how to squeeze more cash out of both punters and traders in future years. How many people at Glastonbury will accept their entire financial activity being tracked across a Festival weekend?

I just can't see Glastonbury introducing something so obviously surveillant, even if that's just because they'd want to avoid the inevitable shitstorm that'd follow - which obviously would be several multiples louder than the one at Boomtown because the media will jump on anything vaguely Glastonbury related while largely ignoring Boomtown most of the time. GFL probably will put QR Codes or RFID chips on the wristbands sooner or later - but realistically it'll only be used for access control at the gates rather than anything more nefarious.

The ethics aren't that bad, just different. 

But we agree on the main point about RFID being used to manage access. 

[kingbadger]

1 hour ago, brendan84 said:

If its the same bloke I'm thinking off he was leading in cameron Smith an few weeks ago after he won the open golf. 

Most likely, he got spotted leading in McIlroy by someone in one of our Col U WhatsApp groups 

[Alvoram]

My only issue with RFID payments is that at the fests I’ve used it at, there’s a charge for the first top up, and the cheeky bastards charge you for refunding anything left too… I assume this is the ‘ethical’ issue with the companies currently offering the service to fests in the UK… Not the tracking… 

[DeanoL]

5 hours ago, incident said:

Hold on a second, I think you're arguing against a point I didn't make. I'm literally saying Glastonbury won't do that. They won't implement a system like this, and so they won't (mis)use the data it generates.

There is obviously a huge difference between the "broad strokes" data they currently collect (which roughly speaking will be how much the trader sold per product per day, with no individual or even demographic info attached), and being able to track the entire itemised purchase history of every individual attendee so don't see how that's relevant.

I'm just saying gathering the data isn't inherently unethical. And indeed it can be used for ethical purposes. I agree your other points are reasons they won't do it, but I think if they could, they would.

For example, we know Glasto has a sort of sliding scale on costs of food market pitches: more unusual food gets cheaper spots than burger and chips places. This is to encourage a diverse selection of options and ensure caterers who can't do more than X people per hour because of the reality of what they're making, aren't priced out because they have to reach the same speed as a burger truck.

With this sort of data, they could tune that even better. They're not going to just use it to maximise profits, because Glasto could already do that with the data they have: they make more money of the burger traders, so just charge everyone that price and accept a lower quality of food.