Róisín Murphy

[dotdash79]

35 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

The hostility is very much coming from both "sides".

 

Imagine people wanting to wipe you from society, then when you push back, people “both sides” you. 

[Rose-Colored Boy]

Mad to think how many lives and reputations have been destroyed just because the writer of The IT Crowd happened to be mildly criticised on a day he hadn’t had a w*nk

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

10 hours ago, Rose-Colored Boy said:

Agreed, here is the conversation that needs to happen:

”Is there a wild global conspiracy to eliminate women and women’s rights, via the medium of Ru Paul’s Drag Race, for the benefit of 0.1% of the population?”

”No”

”Do trans people deserve to live in peace and just be able to go the loo where they want”

”Yes”

The end

Whilst I agree with the sentiment 100%, drag queens and trans people are not one and the same. Suggesting so is transphobic in itself.*
 

See how easy one comment online can lead to people making judgments about you? 

*I don’t actually think you’re transphobic for the record. 
 

 

[Stokesy10]

10 hours ago, Amy Lawn said:

It's just a debate about the puberty blockers, it's just a debate about sports, it's just a debate about prisons, it's just a debate about women's shelters, it's just a debate about bathrooms, it's just a debate about legal recognition.

You know it's funny how you never hear from trans people in these "debates", and they're all cropping up at the same time, despite there having been absolutely no harm occuring to prompt them, and it's just a coincidence that the right wing really loves this sh*t and keeps pushing it. And the answer is never for the experts in the relevant field to be given the space and funding to look into it, and for the trans community to be involved and consulted. It always ends in insults, stigma, the removal of services, cis people get the first, second, middle and last word in all of it.

What about when trans people want to have a debate about the complete removal of healthcare provisions, or the constant stigma, or the constant administerial battles, or the cost, or the huge mental health toll of a lifetime of being portrayed as and treated as a joke or a disgrace, or the tangible increase in hostility and derision your debate is having. That debate never gets heard does it.

 

11 hours ago, Skip997 said:

 

Lets just close down all debate, it's safer that way.

 

[Amy Lawn]

1 hour ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Whilst I agree with the sentiment 100%, drag queens and trans people are not one and the same. Suggesting so is transphobic in itself.*
 

See how easy one comment online can lead to people making judgments about you? 

*I don’t actually think you’re transphobic for the record. 

What are you saying here? It would be incredibly bad faith to judge RCB of anything more than clumsy wording from that post.

[Amy Lawn]

Funny how the people who cry there should be some debate never actually debate, they just post vague innuendo and complain about somebody stopping them from being able to debate.

[collectivisedfarming]

Just seen this. Yuck. She can get in the bin with all the other terfs. 

Trans lives aren't up for debate, particularly by cis people. 

 

[Frankly Mr Shankly]

1 hour ago, Amy Lawn said:

What are you saying here? It would be incredibly bad faith to judge RCB of anything more than clumsy wording from that post.

I was making a point that a misconstrued or badly worded comment online doesn’t always equate to someone being an evil person worthy of total cancellation. - it was an observation about cancel culture. 
 

For the record I don’t condone Rosin Murphy’s views at all, my own views are completely the opposite. But I don’t think instantly cancelling someone who questions something or branding them with labels is the way to progress forward. 

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

But I don’t think instantly cancelling someone who questions something or branding them with labels is the way to progress forward. 

It's really not.

All it does is stifle debate and potentially prevent the person from learning about the situation and possibly changing their view.

[stuie]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

It's really not.

All it does is stifle debate and potentially prevent the person from learning about the situation and possibly changing their view.

Her view is 'fixed' - she says so in her statement. 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Her view is 'fixed' - she says so in her statement. 

Disappointing if that's the case.

But her statement has encouraged me to do some more research, so some good has come from it.

[Amy Lawn]

Who should act differently here? And what exactly do you define as "cancelling"? Can you describe what exact actions taken by which people you disagree with and how do you think they should act instead?

All I see is fans who are upset with somebody espousing harmful views, as they have a right to be, and stopping to be fans of hers, as she herself says they have a right to be. Who's responsibility is it for Murphy's education on this topic? Surely her own, she's a grown adult. How can there be an opportunity for her to learn when she herself says she won't engage any further.

[Amy Lawn]

This woman has immersed herself in queer culture for decades, if she didn't learn respect for trans people from that, then who can teach her?

[Rose-Colored Boy]

10 hours ago, Frankly Mr Shankly said:

Whilst I agree with the sentiment 100%, drag queens and trans people are not one and the same. Suggesting so is transphobic in itself.*
 

See how easy one comment online can lead to people making judgments about you? 

*I don’t actually think you’re transphobic for the record. 
 

 

It was intended as a reference to TERFs bellyaching about things like Drag Queen Story Hour and Drag Race as part of their “you’re erasing women” nonsense. Fear not, I’m well aware they aren’t the same thing! Sorry for being unclear ❤️

Edited August 30, 2023 by Rose-Colored Boy

[CaledonianGonzo]

Rumours circulating that Ninja Tune have stopped promoting the album.  No idea whether or not it's true.

[zahidf]

2 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Rumours circulating that Ninja Tune have stopped promoting the album.  No idea whether or not it's true.

Yup. All profits on the record company side to go to transfer charities

 

https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/music/r-is-n-murphys-record-label-ceases-promotion-of-her-new-record-following-transphobic-social/article_9217e450-3bc1-5995-bd78-2249fe65e90f.html

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

I saw that.....just a bit uncertain as to why the Toronto Star has the scoop.

[Neil]

On 8/29/2023 at 5:31 PM, Rose-Colored Boy said:

f**k me. “You made have felt a huge shock, blinded by this so abruptly”. “I will now bow out of this conversation within the public domain” !!!

Read some bad non-apologies for transphobia recently but that’s properly dreadful. 

she clearly feels bullied into shutting up,  which activists everywhere can glory in their bullying.

[Skip997]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

she clearly feels bullied into shutting up,  which activists everywhere can glory in their bullying.

It's happening more and more and not just over trans-rights.

It's becoming very difficult to discuss anything.

[collectivisedfarming]

Great move from Ninja Tune. Imagine at this stage they couldn't get out of releasing the record for contractual reasons so about as much as they can do. 

Guess she f**ked around and found out. Good, words have consequences. 

[Hugh Jass II]

On 8/29/2023 at 9:00 PM, zahidf said:

 

 

Also, is she saying she never aimed her music at gay people? Looollllll

"How could I have possibly known gays would like disco?"

[Rose-Colored Boy]

36 minutes ago, Neil said:

she clearly feels bullied into shutting up,  which activists everywhere can glory in their bullying.

She’s every right to say what she wants but people are just as entitled to criticise her, in particular the “I’m sorry if you felt upset”-type gaslighting, and the implication she didn’t realise a large proportion of her fans were LGBT+ which is just an out and out lie 

Edited August 31, 2023 by Rose-Colored Boy

[zahidf]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

she clearly feels bullied into shutting up,  which activists everywhere can glory in their bullying.

Whereas of course the trans community wre definitely not being bullied by the likes of her yeah?

[Rose-Colored Boy]

As with Brexit, it’s a pretty good rule for life that if the people siding with your point of view are almost-exclusively massive bellends and all the nice people seem to be on the other side then your point of view is probably wrong. I hope she comes around but from the tone of that statement it sounds like the views she’s expressed in public are on the mild end of what she and her friends discuss in private sadly. 

[Amy Lawn]

Probably not worth arguing with people who are transphobic, actually.

Just ignore them and live.

Protect trans kids, they really need it 

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