Hip Hop at Glastonbury 2022?

[MaxPower]

Yeah could easy see Simz on headlining at some point tbh. Dave too.

Also @gfathe Tyler ban thing is very old news, has played in UK plenty since - Headlining Parklife this year. 

[gfa]

29 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

grime and drill are subgenres of hip hop. Just like black and death metal are subgenres of metal

I was just replying that the hip hop crowd is more into US hip hop than grime/drill here. I wasn't saying they aren't linked etc

[gfa]

Just now, MaxPower said:

Yeah could easy see Simz on headlining at some point tbh. Dave too.

Also @gfathe Tyler ban thing is very old news, has played in UK plenty since - Headlining Parklife this year. 

I thought so just wasn't really clued up on it. Its important to remember that different festivals do have different standards though for who they want playing. Dizzee was at Boardmasters about 3 days after everyone found out he assaulted his fiance for example.

[MaxPower]

30 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

grime and drill are subgenres of hip hop. Just like black and death metal are subgenres of metal

Grime’s roots are in UKG and Jungle, not hip hop. 
 

Drill is though yeah. 

[MaxPower]

Just now, gfa said:

I thought so just wasn't really clued up on it. Its important to remember that different festivals do have different standards though for who they want playing. Dizzee was at Boardmasters about 3 days after everyone found out he assaulted his fiance for example.

Tyler’s ban was nonsense and he would play the festival is he wasn’t at that weird size where he only headlines festivals but isn’t big enough to headline Glastonbury, which is annoying.

[Matt42]

Tyler is considered a small headliner in the states and a mid sized festival headliner in the UK. I’m not sure he will ever headline Glastonbury. 

[elbongo]

Kojey Radical 🧨🧨

[Florian Saucer Attack]

13 minutes ago, gfa said:

I was just replying that the hip hop crowd is more into US hip hop than grime/drill here. I wasn't saying they aren't linked etc

You said 'Hip hop is miles bigger than grime/drill in the UK'

'US Hip Hop' is not a subgenre. The overarching genre is called hip hop which happened to originate in the US but hip hop can come from anywhere in the World.

It's just like saying 'the metal crowd is more into metal than doom metal.' It doesn't make sense but you could say the 'the metal crowd is more into heavy metal than doom metal.'

[Florian Saucer Attack]

21 minutes ago, MaxPower said:

Grime’s roots are in UKG and Jungle, not hip hop. 
 

Drill is though yeah. 

UKG and Jungle use hip hop beats and often rap. To me they are clearly part of hip hop with other musical influences  

Hip hop is a broad church and I can't imagine any Grime, UKG or jungle musician being offended by being included in it

[Haan]

57 minutes ago, gfa said:

I was just replying that the hip hop crowd is more into US hip hop than grime/drill here. I wasn't saying they aren't linked etc

Not sure on this one, most UK number 1s here are of UK rap/drill and grime artists. Nines, Headie One, Fredo, Russ Millions, Steflon Don, Lady Leshurr, Little Simz do very good numbers and draw decent crowds here.

Dave's Starlight, that Aitch and Ashanti song and Russ Millions chart pretty well here. Kodak Black, Lil Baby and Gunna who do very well in the US I don't think really chart much here at all.

[Matt42]

Genuine question is grime still really that prevalent? I feel like all the big names in the UK are making straight up hip hop / influenced by drill now.

Even what Stormzy makes is barely grime now.

Edited April 23, 2022 by Matt42

[Haan]

I would love to see more hip hop at the fest and I don't think Glasto needs to approach the same type of hip hop as Wireless does. I think Wireless tends to avoid legacy acts, underground "backpacker" rap, and anything that's a bit leftfield. I think with the absence of Lovebox, there was a really opportunity to swallow up those type of rap bookings. Artists like Tierra Whack, IAMDBB, the Griselda lot, the Slums lot (MIKE, Earl Sweatshirt, Navy Blue etc), High Focus records (Jam Baxter, Leaf dog etc), Vince Staples etc. 

I don't think it's a massive issue though, we already have a very solid selection of acts, just wanted a handful more. Maybe they will still come as more lineups come out

[Haan]

Also I would like to say, Doja Cat and Megan Thee Stallion are 100% hip hop.

[CaledonianGonzo]

Vince Staples played WH 4 or 5 years back.

(And stopped the performance demanding an explanation of someone's plastic grey heron)

[CaledonianGonzo]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Vince Staples played WH 4 or 5 years back.

(And stopped the performance demanding an explanation of someone's plastic grey heron)

Ah. It was 2016 cos his DJ was roasting the crowd over Brexit.

[kalifire]

31 minutes ago, Haan said:

High Focus records (Jam Baxter, Leaf dog etc)

It’s been too long since I visited High Focus but when I did I loved what I was hearing. Jam Baxter is brilliant, but I was blown away by Ed Scissor.

 

[Florian Saucer Attack]

2 hours ago, Haan said:

Also I would like to say, Doja Cat and Megan Thee Stallion are 100% hip hop.

No doubt about it

[Andre91]

Tyler could be a great Other headliner within the next couple of years. 

[MaxPower]

9 hours ago, Andre91 said:

Tyler could be a great Other headliner within the next couple of years. 

He’s more than big enough to headline it now, just needs him to adjust his expectations a bit I think. 

[Staff_Sav]

Hip Hop Karaoke is usually up at the Stonebridge Bar

[NickM45]

It's an obvious choice, but The Roots would deffo be ideal for West Holts headline. Glasto should book Freddie Gibbs, Madlib, DJ Spinna, Jon Wayne, Grizelda - and basically any hip hop artists of the Stones Throw label would work for me. 

[Junglist1981]

18 hours ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

UKG and Jungle use hip hop beats and often rap. To me they are clearly part of hip hop with other musical influences  

Hip hop is a broad church and I can't imagine any Grime, UKG or jungle musician being offended by being included in it

Hi I just had to say, Jungle, UKG and Grime artists wouldn't consider themselves to be Hip Hop at all.

Jungle rose from a fusion of techno/breakbeat/hardcore (rave music if you will) and Jamaican sound system culture (baselines, rewinds, MCs hosting). Techno and reggae/dancehall are the key influences. The only real influence taken from hip hop was a few sampling techniques. Jungle then morphed into D&B.

UK garage is US garage (a house sub-genre) fused with D&B, pulling through the sound system culture, 2 step beats, baselines, rewinds, MCs etc

Grime might seem to have hip hop influence in its approach and presentation as the MC is much more central, but the music itself arose from UKG after that took a darker more underground turn to counter the rampant commercialisation of the genre. Wiley is the pioneer, he was originally a Jungle and UKG MC/producer.

All of this along with other genres (notably dubstep) rose organically from the melting pot multicultural streets of London, hence there's a lot of crossover between them all. I sincerely believe that as a nation we should be very proud of all of them. They are highly original, uniquely British cultural movements and whilst they are better recognised than they used to be they still don't get enough credit (I won't get into why I think that is, but you could probably guess) 🙂

[David_303]

34 minutes ago, Junglist1981 said:

Hi I just had to say, Jungle, UKG and Grime artists wouldn't consider themselves to be Hip Hop at all.

Jungle rose from a fusion of techno/breakbeat/hardcore (rave music if you will) and Jamaican sound system culture (baselines, rewinds, MCs hosting). Techno and reggae/dancehall are the key influences. The only real influence taken from hip hop was a few sampling techniques. Jungle then morphed into D&B.

UK garage is US garage (a house sub-genre) fused with D&B, pulling through the sound system culture, 2 step beats, baselines, rewinds, MCs etc

Grime might seem to have hip hop influence in its approach and presentation as the MC is much more central, but the music itself arose from UKG after that took a darker more underground turn to counter the rampant commercialisation of the genre. Wiley is the pioneer, he was originally a Jungle and UKG MC/producer.

All of this along with other genres (notably dubstep) rose organically from the melting pot multicultural streets of London, hence there's a lot of crossover between them all. I sincerely believe that as a nation we should be very proud of all of them. They are highly original, uniquely British cultural movements and whilst they are better recognised than they used to be they still don't get enough credit (I won't get into why I think that is, but you could probably guess) 🙂

I came here to post this. Nicely put mate (I've been involved with the scene for many, many years - so pretty defensive of it!) 

[Florian Saucer Attack]

36 minutes ago, Junglist1981 said:

Hi I just had to say, Jungle, UKG and Grime artists wouldn't consider themselves to be Hip Hop at all.

Jungle rose from a fusion of techno/breakbeat/hardcore (rave music if you will) and Jamaican sound system culture (baselines, rewinds, MCs hosting). Techno and reggae/dancehall are the key influences. The only real influence taken from hip hop was a few sampling techniques. Jungle then morphed into D&B.

UK garage is US garage (a house sub-genre) fused with D&B, pulling through the sound system culture, 2 step beats, baselines, rewinds, MCs etc

Grime might seem to have hip hop influence in its approach and presentation as the MC is much more central, but the music itself arose from UKG after that took a darker more underground turn to counter the rampant commercialisation of the genre. Wiley is the pioneer, he was originally a Jungle and UKG MC/producer.

All of this along with other genres (notably dubstep) rose organically from the melting pot multicultural streets of London, hence there's a lot of crossover between them all. I sincerely believe that as a nation we should be very proud of all of them. They are highly original, uniquely British cultural movements and whilst they are better recognised than they used to be they still don't get enough credit (I won't get into why I think that is, but you could probably guess) 🙂

I agree with everything you say here but ultimately all these genres use techniques that originated from Kool Herc a Jamaican American in the Bronx in the early 70's.

I don't see why pointing out that these sub-genres that emerged from Britain from something that originated in another country would mean anyone would feel less prideful 

 

[David_303]

29 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

I agree with everything you say here but ultimately all these genres use techniques that originated from Kool Herc a Jamaican American in the Bronx in the early 70's.

He was probably copying what was going on in Kingston etc. since the 50s. 

I do think that dance culture should be acknowledged more in the UK - a bit like what they're doing in Germany.