2023 Stage Predictions

[thewayiam]

14 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

Yeah kind of baffled by people suddenly thinking Kasabian will be taking up any kind of Pyramid sub/Other headliner slot at Glastonbury. Got all these mid sized festival headline slots based off of name alone, but there’s no denying they’ve dropped off massively without Tom and are essentially just a nostalgia band now, even with a somewhat successful new album. Other sub is about as high as I can see them getting realistically, if they’re booked at all.

I actually kinda agree with this.

Royal Blood are definitely the option to either sub or headline other. I forgot about Doja, there is your female sub.

Agreed about Kasabian playing Other sub actually. They've sold out Manchester Arena and London but that's only Ally Pally. The other have plenty of seats/standing left.

[Matt42]

23 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

Yeah kind of baffled by people suddenly thinking Kasabian will be taking up any kind of Pyramid sub/Other headliner slot at Glastonbury. Got all these mid sized festival headline slots based off of name alone, but there’s no denying they’ve dropped off massively without Tom and are essentially just a nostalgia band now, even with a somewhat successful new album. Other sub is about as high as I can see them getting realistically, if they’re booked at all.

People are more likely to predict acts they know for the big slots rather than acts they are less familiar with I guess, regardless of whether this act is nowhere near the size they used to be or likely to get it.

[Matt42]

For what it’s worth Kasabian are big enough to headline other but I can’t see them getting that slot. If they are giving to a band I reckon Glastonbury would probably want to give it to a band with an upward trajectory.

[sisco]

1 hour ago, FloorFiller said:

Yeah kind of baffled by people suddenly thinking Kasabian will be taking up any kind of Pyramid sub/Other headliner slot at Glastonbury. Got all these mid sized festival headline slots based off of name alone, but there’s no denying they’ve dropped off massively without Tom and are essentially just a nostalgia band now, even with a somewhat successful new album. Other sub is about as high as I can see them getting realistically, if they’re booked at all.

Did they not just headline IOW? Got a number 1 album? Selling out where they’re playing.  Look at who has subbed recently? NGHFB, Vampire Weekend etc…. Really smaller than them? 

[sisco]

40 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

People are more likely to predict acts they know for the big slots rather than acts they are less familiar with I guess, regardless of whether this act is nowhere near the size they used to be or likely to get it.

Really? So basically you disagree which is fine… but why make it out like you know better than others! 

[FloorFiller]

11 minutes ago, sisco said:

Did they not just headline IOW? Got a number 1 album? Selling out where they’re playing.  Look at who has subbed recently? NGHFB, Vampire Weekend etc…. Really smaller than them? 

Co-headlined a downsized IOW with Pete Tong, got a number 1 album but with little competition, and selling out fairly small venues in comparison to what they were doing before. Unfortunately I think their brand is largely tarnished now and they’re never gonna be more than 00’s indie has-beens with a few crowd pleasing belters. Could see them still getting decent slots at the likes of R/L - maybe subbing one of their main stages - but at Glastonbury I think the best they could hope for is being relegated to a mid/high Other slot. Never gonna bother the Pyramid again, and tbh it was doubtful they were gonna do that even when Tom was still in the band. 

[Matt42]

What’s interesting is (and I double checked this), Glastonbury was never the biggest investor in Kasabian anyway.

They subbed in both 2007 and 2009, and they were already headlining major festivals by 2009. 

I’m pretty sure they weren’t the festivals first option to headline in 2014 either, and it helped that 2014 wasn’t the best touring year. Pretty sure they got roped in when Prince cancelled.

Edited August 20, 2022 by Matt42

[thewayiam]

1 hour ago, FloorFiller said:

Co-headlined a downsized IOW with Pete Tong, got a number 1 album but with little competition, and selling out fairly small venues in comparison to what they were doing before. Unfortunately I think their brand is largely tarnished now and they’re never gonna be more than 00’s indie has-beens with a few crowd pleasing belters. Could see them still getting decent slots at the likes of R/L - maybe subbing one of their main stages - but at Glastonbury I think the best they could hope for is being relegated to a mid/high Other slot. Never gonna bother the Pyramid again, and tbh it was doubtful they were gonna do that even when Tom was still in the band. 

You're being unfair a bit there to a band who's fault it isn't. They have still sold out MEN and Ally Pally. Not bad after losing your front man. Playing Birmingham Arena and Cardiff too. Yes it's lesser but it's not the huge fall from grace yet. Loads of arena bands predicted to headline things haven't sold out imminently. 

[gfa]

20 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Friday

Pyramid: Arctic Monkeys - Lana Del Rey – Ice Cube – Confidence Man

Other: Royal Blood  – PJ Harvey – Yung Blud - Slowthai

West Holts: Isley Brothers - Lady Wray - Noga Erez – Afriquoi

The Park: Hot Chip - Sault - Ezra Furman – Townes Van Zandt

John Peel: Weezer – Sampha - The Mysterines

Saturday

Pyramid: Taylor Swift – George Ezra – Rex Orange County

Other: Doja Cat - Jorja Smith – Blondie – Wet Leg - James

West Holts: Run the Jewels – FKA Twigs - Blood Orange

The Park: Manic Street Preachers -  Emeli Sande – Muna -

John Peel: King Gizzard – Jethro Tull – Juls  – Black Mdidi

Sunday

Pyramid: Elton John – Lizzo  – Lewis Capaldi - Spice Girls

Other: The Prodigy - Courteeners – Aitch – Lily Allen

West Holts: Rudimental -  Pink Pantheress – Buddy Guy – SPINALL

The Park: Sigur Ros – Broken Social Scene – Django Django

John Peel: NIN – Yeah Yeah Yeahs -  Big Joanie

Far too many guitars headlining friday stages

17 hours ago, Matt42 said:

I agree and I’m glad you’ve said it. I think they are getting a bit of the Wolf Alice treatment where because they are rock people think they are on an upward trajectory.

I think they could headline the other stage but I’d hesitate they are a weaker other stage headline than Foals. I really think they’d be third down pyramid if they played there again too.

Weaker than 2022 foals as an other headliner is basically anyone else who’s done the slot

14 hours ago, thewayiam said:

I actually kinda agree with this.

Royal Blood are definitely the option to either sub or headline other. I forgot about Doja, there is your female sub.

Agreed about Kasabian playing Other sub actually. They've sold out Manchester Arena and London but that's only Ally Pally. The other have plenty of seats/standing left.

Kasabian have just headlined every medium festival under the sun and are getting big slots abroad too which shows they aren’t UK has beens i feel. Definitely not out of place doing Other headliner imo

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

20 hours ago, thewayiam said:

A lot of this I don't see. Yungblud would sub Other, PJ Harvey I don't think subs Other so potential switch.

Blondie and James that far up the Other after opening on the Other stage slot I feel is unlikely. Liam has gone onto sub but with a much different setup. 

That Sunday Pyramid is a bit naff. It's a better Sunday than this year though. Yyys would headline JP I think but I see them 3rd down Other. 

They can do the Saturday but I feel it will be Friday just because of the earlier set in the evening at MK being a sub. I think they are more likely to sub Arctics though that go against them.

Although Yungblud's performance this year was one of the main highlights show-wise, I just can't see him going from mid-JP to sub-Other inside of a year.

With PJ Harvey, I feel like she's too big to headline JP, but she's not big enough or well-known enough for Other. A sub-headliner into Royal Blood fits well, although I admit, Blondie and James could be lower.

The Pyramid is always a bit safe though isn't it. A lot of this year's afternoon stuff was just fluff and filler. Robert Plant, Crowded House, Elbow, Wolf Alice... Lewis Capaldi into Lizzo into Elton would please a lot of the BBC crowd.

Didn't know about the YYYs other gigs, but good to know there's a chance they're at the farm. Would love to see them again.

 

[thewayiam]

3 hours ago, gfa said:

 

Kasabian have just headlined every medium festival under the sun and are getting big slots abroad too which shows they aren’t UK has beens i feel. Definitely not out of place doing Other headliner imo

I don't think they are just filler, but I also agree their new dates could easily fit a Other slot. Especially if they want a slot that clashes less to get the people there which for themis exactly ideal. It's more a case of what is better for them. To be fair as well, I think there is plenty of people that have headlined the medium festivals that wouldn't headline Other.

2 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Although Yungblud's performance this year was one of the main highlights show-wise, I just can't see him going from mid-JP to sub-Other inside of a year.

With PJ Harvey, I feel like she's too big to headline JP, but she's not big enough or well-known enough for Other. A sub-headliner into Royal Blood fits well, although I admit, Blondie and James could be lower.

The Pyramid is always a bit safe though isn't it. A lot of this year's afternoon stuff was just fluff and filler. Robert Plant, Crowded House, Elbow, Wolf Alice... Lewis Capaldi into Lizzo into Elton would please a lot of the BBC crowd.

Didn't know about the YYYs other gigs, but good to know there's a chance they're at the farm. Would love to see them again.

 

Yungblud subbed JP and has just announced a big arena tour, he's not going below Other sub. I also suggest that his JP slot was an agreed one rather than where he's totally seen.

I see PJ as 3rd down Other myself, too niche to get a JP crowd as you say too.

YYYs also really need the 3rd Other slot. I think for JP headliner, you need to be up with the totally relevant of the day etc. The difference with that in the park is that it's a catered audience and WHs is a different act entirely.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

9 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

Yungblud subbed JP and has just announced a big arena tour, he's not going below Other sub. I also suggest that his JP slot was an agreed one rather than where he's totally seen.

I see PJ as 3rd down Other myself, too niche to get a JP crowd as you say too.

YYYs also really need the 3rd Other slot. I think for JP headliner, you need to be up with the totally relevant of the day etc. The difference with that in the park is that it's a catered audience and WHs is a different act entirely.

Oh, okay, then I've been mistaken about his placement, but I dunno, I feel like it's quite a big jump. Doesn't mean it wouldn't happen mind you and if this year's Other subs are anything to go by, he wouldn't look out of place.

And fwiw, I don't think JP has a history of only playing relevenat acts or flavour of the month types. In 2019 the headliners were Sean Paul, Interpol, the Streets, three acts who have been around 15+ years. The Streets were amazing on iPlayer from my balcony. 

Even this year they had Primal Scream (doing the same set prob since 1995), Charli XCX who's been around a while, and Jamie T who's been around even longer.

Looking at my stage predo now, I think there's too many rock/indie bands if anything. Needs more dance/hiphop.

[thewayiam]

25 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Oh, okay, then I've been mistaken about his placement, but I dunno, I feel like it's quite a big jump. Doesn't mean it wouldn't happen mind you and if this year's Other subs are anything to go by, he wouldn't look out of place.

And fwiw, I don't think JP has a history of only playing relevenat acts or flavour of the month types. In 2019 the headliners were Sean Paul, Interpol, the Streets, three acts who have been around 15+ years. The Streets were amazing on iPlayer from my balcony. 

Even this year they had Primal Scream (doing the same set prob since 1995), Charli XCX who's been around a while, and Jamie T who's been around even longer.

Looking at my stage predo now, I think there's too many rock/indie bands if anything. Needs more dance/hiphop.

Sean Paul though was a later replacement I think.

While I don't believe a prediction 'needs' anything. If it's easier to get a ticket I'll take it and the more they book the MTS rubbish from this year etc it will be easier.

[Green Croc]

I think Kasabian are probably on a par with Foals now if you compare the size of festivals they've both headlined more recently and size of venues they play to on tours.

So I think you could have them headlining Other up against someone like Dua Lipa or Taylor

[Matt42]

I think we are blowing Kasabian up like a balloon here. Of course at indie/rock throwback festivals they will get a massive booking. The festivals and gigs they’ve played are pretty much exclusively attended by people who miss lad rock.

At Glastonbury they’d definitely get a showing, but I don’t think Emily and co book the same way as other festivals do. Of course they will go down well at Tramlines, IOW, Liam G’s gig… I expect them to.

That’s like making a point of Calvin Harris going down well at Creamfields. It’s their bread and butter.

[Green Croc]

14 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I think we are blowing Kasabian up like a balloon here. Of course at indie/rock throwback festivals they will get a massive booking. The festivals and gigs they’ve played are pretty much exclusively attended by people who miss lad rock.

At Glastonbury they’d definitely get a showing, but I don’t think Emily and co book the same way as other festivals do. Of course they will go down well at Tramlines, IOW, Liam G’s gig… I expect them to.

That’s like making a point of Calvin Harris going down well at Creamfields. It’s their bread and butter.

Not sure we are. All of the points above still make them relevant for a decent slot at Glasto, they have far more hits than some of the other names being thrown about on here for headlining Other and they're also still an excellent live band

 

[efcfanwirral]

21 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I think we are blowing Kasabian up like a balloon here. Of course at indie/rock throwback festivals they will get a massive booking. The festivals and gigs they’ve played are pretty much exclusively attended by people who miss lad rock.

Its true (I'm one of them). Don't want that stuff anywhere near Glastonbury though. Noel's poor show  was the final straw - it isn't the time or the place

Edited August 22, 2022 by efcfanwirral

[JonSnow]

19 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I think we are blowing Kasabian up like a balloon here. Of course at indie/rock throwback festivals they will get a massive booking. The festivals and gigs they’ve played are pretty much exclusively attended by people who miss lad rock.

At Glastonbury they’d definitely get a showing, but I don’t think Emily and co book the same way as other festivals do. Of course they will go down well at Tramlines, IOW, Liam G’s gig… I expect them to.

That’s like making a point of Calvin Harris going down well at Creamfields. It’s their bread and butter.

Not sure why you think Emily and co wouldn't put 'lad rock' in a high slot.

For example we just had the Libertines open the Other Stage this year to a big crowd.  (Could feasibly be the slot Kasabian do next year I guess)

[Skip997]

6 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Its true (I'm one of them). Don't want that stuff anywhere near Glastonbury though. Noel's poor show  was the final straw - it isn't the time or the place

What did people expect?

Oasis were overrated, Noel is dreadful. 

[sisco]

I’ll chip in once again….. if the likes of Vampire Weekend, Noel, Biffy, Foals can all sub then so can Kasabian. 
 

People get far too hung up on X can only play here or there… recent examples like Olivia Rodrigo or Kacey Musgraves had to be pyramid.  
 

Glastonbury isn’t the same as others and if they suited who they were placed below or opposite or just in general the vibe they needed them yep… they could 100% sub (or headline other)

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

What did people expect?

Oasis were overrated, Noel is dreadful. 

I love him and Oasis and have seen both quite a few times. Fits at these nostalgia festivals, not at Glastonbury 

[sisco]

23 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I love him and Oasis and have seen both quite a few times. Fits at these nostalgia festivals, not at Glastonbury 

Noel was unreal at Glasto this year? 

[CaledonianGonzo]

It was all too real.

[nikkic]

I only saw the last half of his set, so pretty much all Oasis tunes and no HFB, but everyone near me seemed to be having a blast. 

[Matt42]

We are talking about a band here that has lost their front man and is desperately trying not to fall off the face of the earth. “If X can do this then so can Kasabian” is a pretty poor argument when all of the bands listed were at their peak at the time.

Kasabian 2.0 is playing by different rules.