Vegans on the farm…..

[DeanoL]

36 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

That clearly not correct as being a vegan extends into any exploitation of animals.  Not just food.

A better one I suppose is this - its basically treating an animal as a commodity for a human to exploit:

"Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism

Well, the Vegan Society are somewhat biased right? As in, that's what they want the definition of veganism to be. They're probably the people you mentioned that get offended by people claiming to be vegans when they don't think they are.

But the Oxford English Dictionary don't have a horse in the race. It's their job to give what the current common definition of the word in the UK is. I'm happy to consider other unbiased sources, maybe other dictionaries define it differently, not 100% certain here.

There's also 906,000 Google results for "Environmental Veganism" so it is a thing, even if you don't personally think it's "real" veganism.

[CauliflowerEar]

On 7/7/2022 at 7:05 AM, PassingCloud said:

Sounds like a troll. It’s not, I am just curious.
Just wondering how the vegans that attend the festival are at peace with the event taking place on dairy/livestock farms?

There seem to be, although I’m sure a minority, a lot of vegans who are quite militant in their cause (personally, I think promoting yourselves this way is counter-productive). Given the population of GF I would think that there must be some amount of them on site? 

For clarification: I’m a vegetarian, sometimes bordering on vegan (and admit that I very occasional fail and eat meat). 
I have no judgment of others, although I think people should be giving serious consideration to their food sources (and that includes vegetarian/vegan options). 

Lastly — the food options are like any other event I’ve ever attended. Superb. 

The problem is vegans are normally quite hypocritical, and will only really make a song and a dance about it if it suits their current narrative. 

Believe me, Glastonbury could be held on a huge abattoir and still be stuffed full of pierced 20 somethings from Bristol that 'identify' as vegan. 

[tarw]

 

28 minutes ago, CauliflowerEar said:

The problem is vegans are normally quite hypocritical, and will only really make a song and a dance about it if it suits their current narrative. 

Believe me, Glastonbury could be held on a huge abattoir and still be stuffed full of pierced 20 somethings from Bristol that 'identify' as vegan. 

 

12 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its true and the need to identify is just funny beyond belief these days.

When you’re agreeing with Mr Ear maybe it’s time to re-evaluate 

[danmarks]

4 hours ago, Skip997 said:

So why make 1971 free?

The money was put up by arabella churchill

[Skip997]

Just now, danmarks said:

The money was put up by arabella churchill

Now she was an absolute darling, treated her crew very, very well.

R.I.P.

[DeanoL]

26 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

I agree with what you say about the Vegan Society but even old school Vegans went further than just food.  It always been about clothes and other products etc as well.  

The definition I gave does cover any "animal products" and calls out leather/wool. Just doesn't have the ethical component.

[Mark E. Spliff]

29 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its true and the need to identify is just funny beyond belief these days.

Barry Fish and CauliflowerEar in furious agreement with each other!  They both make a good point though - identity politics trumps everything these days.  The identity I identify both of them with is people who don't go to Glastonbury and despise the progressive politics the festival unashamedly promotes.  Barry's being cunning about it though - he's on a mission to portray himself as a plant-eating, Labour-voting martyr who's being unfairly silenced/misrepresented by an unthinking mob of on-message, woke, lefties.  Unfortunately for Barry, he's not smart enough to recognise that having a back-slapping moment with CauliflowerEar is the forum equivalent of being high-fived by the local BNP candidate whilst you're trying to fit in at the local craft ale and man-bun cooperative.

[incident]

4 hours ago, Skip997 said:

So why make 1971 free?

Michael wasn't (supposed to be) involved in running the 71 festival. It was (meant to be) a pure land rental deal, to the rich hippies (Churchill, Kerr, etc) who were putting it on.

Now it didn't work out like that in the end, and I believe cost the farm money, but that was the intention.

[balti-pie]

36 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

lol I have no idea who he is to be honest or his posting past 😛.  I just take each post as I find them.

I really do like plant based food and I do vote Labour.  I do like craft ale but more a real ale man.

What would you like to see on tap in a Glastonbury festival bar? Three different beer taps, absolutely anything you fancy from anywhere; 

[Pinhead]

2 hours ago, incident said:

Michael wasn't (supposed to be) involved in running the 71 festival. It was (meant to be) a pure land rental deal, to the rich hippies (Churchill, Kerr, etc) who were putting it on.

Now it didn't work out like that in the end, and I believe cost the farm money, but that was the intention.

And the loss put it off again for many years until, what was it '77 (was that at Street?), or '78?

[PassingCloud]

20 hours ago, The Toxic Avenger said:

If you think about the question that started this thread, it's a bit dodgy, no?  It's based on a dubious premise, i.e. that anyone who takes a moral decision can be condemned as a hypocrite if they don't scrupulously maintain that moral standard in every aspect of their lives.  Exactly the same dubious premise was used by the right wing press and internet echo chambers to attack climate change protesters who travelled to COP26 in Glasgow by anything other than bare feet.

The 'virtue-signalling hypocrite' label is  one of the main tactics being employed by those with a vested interest in promoting climate change scepticism.  It's effectively demanding that anyone who tries to do the right thing must live a puritanical life (which is pretty much impossible in a modern western economy) or face the scorn of the Daily Mail and the moronic masses of populist social media.

No agenda here. Just thought it would start an interesting conversation, which it looks like it did (haven’t had chance to read through properly yet though). 

[CauliflowerEar]

16 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

lol I have no idea who he is to be honest or his posting past 😛.  I just take each post as I find them.

I really do like plant based food and I do vote Labour.  I do like craft ale but more a real ale man.

I use various forums but only recently discovered this one, and i have noticed on here where if you say something most don't agree with a pack mentality takes over and they label you various unsavoury things or accuse you of lying. You are not supposed to agree with anything they don't like, or else you'll be in the firing line too, as they gleefully pointed out very quickly. You would have thought Glastonbury goers were more tolerant and open to decent discussion compared to the average Joe, sadly, it would appear this is not the case. 

[clarkete]

4 hours ago, CauliflowerEar said:

I use various forums but only recently discovered this one, and i have noticed on here where if you say something most don't agree with a pack mentality takes over and they label you various unsavoury things or accuse you of lying. You are not supposed to agree with anything they don't like, or else you'll be in the firing line too, as they gleefully pointed out very quickly. You would have thought Glastonbury goers were more tolerant and open to decent discussion compared to the average Joe, sadly, it would appear this is not the case. 

You turned up on a forum full of Glastonbury lovers and boasted about nicking other people's chairs and pegs (presumably which were in the groundl, leaving your tents behind after the festival, but how you thought that was OK cos it was quite socialist. 

Plus the edgelord bit about why nobody would touch your pals stuff cos you were all so tough. 

I agree, can't see why anybody took umbrage you poor lamb 😉

Edited July 9, 2022 by clarkete

[Crazyfool01]

I hope you are both happy together maybe I should buy a hat 🎩 😉

[kalifire]

Nothing like a vegan thread to trigger the trolls 😂

[Mark E. Spliff]

You'd love to be a fly on the wall at Barry and CauliflowerEar's first date.  The small talk is going to be a bit awkward once they've realised the former is a bitter agoraphobic redundant factory worker from Leeds, and the latter is a 13 year old boy with one big shoe.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

On 7/7/2022 at 10:25 AM, Suprefan said:

Morrissey never had an issue so its perfectly fine. Case closed.

Do any Vegans have any issue with partying in a venue called The Meat Rack? Didnt think so.

I don't think it's the same meaning of meat tbf 😛

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

But seriously, I don't think it's hypocritical.

Vegans have the right to choose what they consume. They obviously can't get away from this in real life. They don't stop the taxi ride if the driver is eating a ham sandwich, they don't leave the shop if there's a leather jacket being sold, they don't leave the park if there's a community BBQ with some (fucking tasty) steaks being grilled.

Yes, it's on a farm that focuses on cows, but a vegan wouldn't be able to do anything if they thought like that. Same with a vegetarian. Or a pescatarian... would they leave the fest because people are pissing into the water systems?

Anyway, if they're that militant about it, they would never leave their house, get on public transport, or do anything really. How far does it really go? Petrol/oil is made from dead animals, would they stop using anything related to dead animals? That would include almost all plastics and then they'd be really f**ked.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

23 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

But seriously, I don't think it's hypocritical.

Vegans have the right to choose what they consume. They obviously can't get away from this in real life. They don't stop the taxi ride if the driver is eating a ham sandwich, they don't leave the shop if there's a leather jacket being sold, they don't leave the park if there's a community BBQ with some (fucking tasty) steaks being grilled.

Yes, it's on a farm that focuses on cows, but a vegan wouldn't be able to do anything if they thought like that. Same with a vegetarian. Or a pescatarian... would they leave the fest because people are pissing into the water systems?

Anyway, if they're that militant about it, they would never leave their house, get on public transport, or do anything really. How far does it really go? Petrol/oil is made from dead animals, would they stop using anything related to dead animals? That would include almost all plastics and then they'd be really f**ked.

The dairy industry kills a lot of animals. Veganism as a social thing is against that. We are not talking about hydrocarbons but living organisms

 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

4 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

The dairy industry kills a lot of animals. Veganism as a social thing is against that. We are not talking about hydrocarbons but living organisms

 

Then don't go.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Just now, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

Then don't go.

I have no problem with it but I accept other people do and at least I'm honest that even the dairy industry kills cattle all the time. 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Very tasty living organisms! 

When I was younger at work trawlers out of Hull and we used to get very very tasty organisms but a lot of those that get thrown back. Sorry totally off topic but I do like a tasty organism

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

I think someone needs a cup of tea and a cuddle tonight x

Haha. I'm always down for that. Only if there's no milk in the tea, mind 😉

[Alvoram]

27 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

Sorry totally off topic but I do like a tasty organism

Everybody likes a tasty orga... Oh you said 'organism!' Nevermind

[CauliflowerEar]

21 hours ago, clarkete said:

You turned up on a forum full of Glastonbury lovers and boasted about nicking other people's chairs and pegs (presumably which were in the groundl, leaving your tents behind after the festival, but how you thought that was OK cos it was quite socialist. 

Plus the edgelord bit about why nobody would touch your pals stuff cos you were all so tough. 

I agree, can't see why anybody took umbrage you poor lamb 😉

See this is quite a good example of intolerant Glastonbury festival types who think that everyone who attends the festival should be the same as them. Unless you are extremely thick or live in some sort of weird faux hippy bubble, surely you understand that lots of different types of folk go to Glastonbury? Whilst we would undoubtedly agree on many things, not everyone lives a rather silly existence where they give themselves a huge pat on the back for packing up and taking home their tent after getting fucking cained in a field for 5 days. What a way to save the earth mate. All festivals, and Glastonbury in particular are not much more than an excuse to get on it and have a good time to some good music. Its foolish to think otherwise. 

And yes, apologies me and my mates aren't a group of fannies that get excited because Diana Ross is playing, and we would happily give someone a good kicking if we caught them trying to rob our shit. Maybe if more people were like us there wouldn't be a tent theft problem.