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The whole point is this shouldn’t be happening even if you don’t like Liverpool or klopp … 

I’d probably agree but the conversation has come from a starting place of a chat with a ref with obvious anti Liverpool bias … so that’s influenced my post 

I know the general critique of it is it's too long / got too much padding etc. And sure, its not as perfect / concise as say, In Rainbows or Kid A. But the highs are very very high. 

This seems different though, that was social democracy to neo liberalism. That seems over, but not sure what is replacing it. Populism is the thing this decade, particularly a right wing populism. There is a loss of trust in the state, in institutions, in the media. Everyone is in their own media silo believing any old sh*t their told, everyone is angry, most of it aimed at migrants or cultural stuff and at liberal elites looking down at them. In terms of economics Trump is no neo liberalist, his protectionism is the stuff that Tony Benn used to bang on about. He is against global institutions like NATO, UN, EU...same as we have seen push back against things like ECHR here. Starmer is hoping that by delivering what the people want in terms of better public services that will put people off populism, but they've taken big risks with that budget that may not pay off in time. The cycle seems to be going back to pre-1945 and the western liberal order...west is in relative decline and seeing rise of authoritarianism and nationalism, brics. Iraq and financial crash helped with that, and now we have hypocritical contradiction with opposing Russia but supporting Israel. So, we'll go back to good old days before 1945 when we had a much more multi-polar world, strong men and nations fighting over borders, and global wars.

Is it about the announcement?🤔