Green Man 2023

[Skip997]

4 hours ago, scatteredscreens said:

Also to be honest I'd say that if you can afford the luxury that is a camper van, you can probably stomach the extra cost.

Not all camper cost £50k - £100k. Mine cost £3500 and would satisfy any requirements.

[scatteredscreens]

39 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Not all camper cost £50k - £100k. Mine cost £3500 and would satisfy any requirements.

It's still a luxury item given it's not a requirement for anything. It's got very specific use cases.

[Skip997]

7 minutes ago, scatteredscreens said:

It's still a luxury item given it's not a requirement for anything. It's got very specific use cases.

What if it's your home. Not that it is in my case.

[scatteredscreens]

37 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

What if it's your home. Not that it is in my case.

Well yeah obviously that's different.

Just trying to make the point that buying and upkeeping a campervan is quite expensive and if you can afford purchasing one you can probably afford campervan parking at green man. 3500 is a lot of money and then some for maintaining etc.

[collectivisedfarming]

Got tickets to next year although originally payment didn't go through. The Mars Volta, MIA, Hot Chip and Bjork would be my ideal headliners 

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

7 hours ago, scatteredscreens said:

Well yeah obviously that's different.

Just trying to make the point that buying and upkeeping a campervan is quite expensive and if you can afford purchasing one you can probably afford campervan parking at green man. 3500 is a lot of money and then some for maintaining etc.

It's literally the same cost as a car. I self converted mine and it cost less than my car. Not a luxury item in any way

I'd also disagree with your cost analysis, removing a camper doesn't magic up the space for three cars and six tents at the festival

 

And on the other posts, surely I'm already paying for security/ land costs with my ticket?

 

[lessthanwill1]

Some curious Twitter activity yesterday. Seems to be a DJ set at “Spiritland” by Joe Talbot (IDLES) and Simone Marie (Primal Screem).  Spiritland looks to be a restaurant in the Royal Festival Hall in London that often has DJs.

Green Man retweeted some announcement about it yesterday.  GM and The Green Man bands booker also liked the same announcement.

[Hooskerdoo]

5 hours ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

It's literally the same cost as a car. I self converted mine and it cost less than my car. Not a luxury item in any way

I'd also disagree with your cost analysis, removing a camper doesn't magic up the space for three cars and six tents at the festival

 

And on the other posts, surely I'm already paying for security/ land costs with my ticket?

 

I have to say that campervans and motorhomes are used by many festivals as cash cows, Green Man being the worst culprit. At £240, that's £60 a night. You would struggle to spend that at the most top-end UK campsite, with electric hookup and far more than a few grotty bogs and fly-blown showers. If there were 100 tickets sold (and there are many more than that) that's a take of £24k. They charge that much purely because they know people will pay it. And they do.

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

55 minutes ago, Hooskerdoo said:

I have to say that campervans and motorhomes are used by many festivals as cash cows, Green Man being the worst culprit. At £240, that's £60 a night. You would struggle to spend that at the most top-end UK campsite, with electric hookup and far more than a few grotty bogs and fly-blown showers. If there were 100 tickets sold (and there are many more than that) that's a take of £24k. They charge that much purely because they know people will pay it. And they do.

Yep, I wouldn't normally do campervans but we had a lockdown baby and glasto tickets we wanted to use so I converted one.

Once their old enough to be camping I'll be back in a tent, but for now I've no choice.

Also worth pointing out that there's no extra security or showers etc. at the Glasto campervan fields. Water taps were few and far between and apart from some long drops the toilets were just the same as the car park fields, so you're not paying for any luxuries above standard camping.

[benali]

2 hours ago, lessthanwill1 said:

Some curious Twitter activity yesterday. Seems to be a DJ set at “Spiritland” by Joe Talbot (IDLES) and Simone Marie (Primal Screem).  Spiritland looks to be a restaurant in the Royal Festival Hall in London that often has DJs.

Green Man retweeted some announcement about it yesterday.  GM and The Green Man bands booker also liked the same announcement.

Please can we not have Idles headlining. I'd rather not have the place full of AF Gang wandering around wearing a different Idles t-shirt every day.

[incident]

38 minutes ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

Also worth pointing out that there's no extra security or showers etc. at the Glasto campervan fields. Water taps were few and far between and apart from some long drops the toilets were just the same as the car park fields, so you're not paying for any luxuries above standard camping.

Compared to the Car Parks? There absolutely is extra security in the CV fields at Glastonbury. Loads of it. All of the festival-operated CV fields are behind fences (not The Superfence, but "regular" green fencing panels), whereas most of the Car Parks aren't. There's also full 24/7 monitored CCTV coverage which again they don't have in the Car Parks. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it's not there. Take a look for the big tall poles with cameras on top next year.

You may not like the fact - but it absolutely does cost any festival significantly more to provide for Campervan users. Several times more. No, you're not getting "luxuries", but that's not what you're paying for - you're paying for being a massively inefficient use of space compared to someone who's packed into the regular campsites.

[zico martin]

2 hours ago, benali said:

Please can we not have Idles headlining. I'd rather not have the place full of AF Gang wandering around wearing a different Idles t-shirt every day.

It wouldn't exactly be an inspired booking seeing that they seem to have played every festival over the last couple of years but I certainly wouldn't be disappointed; great live band, great show,  plenty of bangers - perfect for and festival c

[SweepingTheNation]

3 hours ago, benali said:

Please can we not have Idles headlining. I'd rather not have the place full of AF Gang wandering around wearing a different Idles t-shirt every day.

Doesn't that happen at every festival anyway?

[retromoz]

On 9/30/2022 at 8:12 AM, evannn said:

In addition to festivals becoming more popular in general, two things I can think of for GM: festivals becoming an alternative to holidays abroad (and green man being a very popular one for families); and latitude changing significantly, sending its earlier fanbase elsewhere

This got lost in the campervan chat.

 

But the Latitude thing is the reason we (me and partner with kid in tow) now consider Green Man to be our new 'every year' home. In the past, Latitude was our every year fest and we alternated with gm and eotr every other year. And maybe one other. But latitude has gone all radio 2 and 'brand awareness'. It's gone to the dogs, basically. And, now kid is school age, eotr's dates don't work. Gm is great for all the reasons everyone knows about. 

 

I guess others feel the same. It's a credit to the organisers, really.

[Hooskerdoo]

5 hours ago, incident said:

Compared to the Car Parks? There absolutely is extra security in the CV fields at Glastonbury. Loads of it. All of the festival-operated CV fields are behind fences (not The Superfence, but "regular" green fencing panels), whereas most of the Car Parks aren't. There's also full 24/7 monitored CCTV coverage which again they don't have in the Car Parks. Just because you didn't notice it doesn't mean it's not there. Take a look for the big tall poles with cameras on top next year.

You may not like the fact - but it absolutely does cost any festival significantly more to provide for Campervan users. Several times more. No, you're not getting "luxuries", but that's not what you're paying for - you're paying for being a massively inefficient use of space compared to someone who's packed into the regular campsites.

But if you compare to the campsites, which basically come free with the tickets? Certainly no more facilities, and my van doesn't take up any more room than a biggish tent, certainly not a cluster of tents with a gazebo in the middle. We're pretty well packed in at Green Man as well, not like End of the Road which has spaces pegged out. And I have it not as a luxury, but as a necessity if I am going to able to attend a festival (age, back trouble etc.). 

(Can't comment on Glastonbury btw).

Edited October 1, 2022 by Hooskerdoo

[scatteredscreens]

21 hours ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

It's literally the same cost as a car. I self converted mine and it cost less than my car. Not a luxury item in any way

I'd also disagree with your cost analysis, removing a camper doesn't magic up the space for three cars and six tents at the festival

 

And on the other posts, surely I'm already paying for security/ land costs with my ticket?

 

Depends what car you buy. Plus a car can be used for work and wider things. Like I said it's got such a niche use, you can't tell me the average person has a camper van unless they're at least middle class. Again, not saying you can't be working class and have one, it's just rare. It's not a dig, just an observation.

[scatteredscreens]

7 hours ago, Hooskerdoo said:

But if you compare to the campsites, which basically come free with the tickets? Certainly no more facilities, and my van doesn't take up any more room than a biggish tent, certainly not a cluster of tents with a gazebo in the middle. We're pretty well packed in at Green Man as well, not like End of the Road which has spaces pegged out. And I have it not as a luxury, but as a necessity if I am going to able to attend a festival (age, back trouble etc.). 

(Can't comment on Glastonbury btw).

Of course it's a bit different it you have a medical issue, I'd never take away from the necessity of a CV for that reason.

[scatteredscreens]

Also on idles, didn't they headline in like 2019? Feel like it's a bit early for them to be back again but it wouldn't surprise me

[lessthanwill1]

8 hours ago, scatteredscreens said:

Also on idles, didn't they headline in like 2019? Feel like it's a bit early for them to be back again but it wouldn't surprise me

They headlined Far Out in 2019.  Could definitely see them headlining but it would be a bit of a boring booking imo and I’d also be elsewhere on the day for sure. 

Edited October 2, 2022 by lessthanwill1

[Hooskerdoo]

8 hours ago, scatteredscreens said:

Depends what car you buy. Plus a car can be used for work and wider things. Like I said it's got such a niche use, you can't tell me the average person has a camper van unless they're at least middle class. Again, not saying you can't be working class and have one, it's just rare. It's not a dig, just an observation.

Does anybody go to Green Man who isn't at least middle class?

[Hooskerdoo]

1 hour ago, lessthanwill1 said:

They headlined Far Out in 2019.  Could definitely see them headlining but it would be a bit of a boring booking imo and I’d also be elsewhere on the day for sure. 

I have counted myself an Idles fan since I first saw them in Bristol in 2013, but I have total Idles fatigue now. They seem to have been everywhere all the time for the last few years. So I agree, it would be a poor booking.

[scatteredscreens]

2 hours ago, Hooskerdoo said:

Does anybody go to Green Man who isn't at least middle class?

I'm nowhere near middle class as is of lots of other young people and students who go to GM.

Edited October 2, 2022 by scatteredscreens

[Hooskerdoo]

37 minutes ago, scatteredscreens said:

I'm nowhere near middle class as is of lots of other young people and students who go to GM.

I don't want to be personal, and you know yourself best, but Green Man is absolutely the most middle-class of festivals, which on the whole have become a more middle-class pursuit (with exceptions, of course). 

I have to respectfully disagree with your analysis of campervan ownership in the public at large. Sure, there's a "cool camping" scene for the hobbyists, but campers and caravans have traditionally been a means for the less well-off to enjoy affordable family holidays (and in the case of motorhomes, retirement) while the more affluent sun themselves abroad.

But leaving aside all that, your point seems to be that if someone can afford one thing that means they should automatically be able to afford another. And even if that was true, nobody likes to be taken advantage of, whatever their class or financial status.

[grumpyhack]

I make no apolgies for being middle class but the reason I choose to go to Green Man is because it's the nearest festival to where I live.  I'm also a retired old fart and it's a festival that offers a lot of the best bits of Glastonbury that suit me without the hassle.  I also put my hands up to being a caravanner, with and old but big caravan that accomodates our gang of four.

Edited October 2, 2022 by grumpyhack

[benali]

I guess I'm middle class now but I certainly wasn't when I started going to festivals in 1992 and have never stopped.

Definitely was way more younger people at festivals back then, although if a lot of them grow older and become more affluent due to jobs and then carry on going to festivals the demographic of crowd will naturally change.

Also festivals are so expensive now you have to have a fair amount of disposable income to go.

Wilderness and Camp Bestival are undoubtedly more middle class than GM. Camp Bestival even had a Boden stall ffs!