Areas you would cut to save money

[parsonjack]

Just now, Hugh Jass II said:

We'd have Coldplay doing three nights every year.

Ha...excepting Chris and the lads then 😋

[Skip997]

4 minutes ago, March Hare said:

Get rid of Williams Green and replace it with something arty.

Ditch The Park stage (terrible sound) and move those acts to other stages replacing the middle of the road bland choices on during the day.

Leave the rest of The Park area. I like chilling there.

Two great suggestions.

For some reason I've never got on with the Park stage.

[Crazyfool01]

21 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

I doubt anything wants or thinks there will major cutbacks. This is all hypothetical.

The thread was spun out of a discussion that was taking over the ticket thread about whether the festival would need to cut back on things to keep the ticket price low.

we lost a few things the year just gone so cutbacks arent beyond the realms of possibility 

[Crazyfool01]

On 9/27/2022 at 7:36 PM, gazzared said:

Get rid of Bath West Showground to save on renting the place and all the security that it uses (their was loads), slim down silver hayes shit bits and move arcadie to within the silver hayes, move oxfam and festaff to arcadia site ( a little bit of tweaking to get enough space). Make the oxfam&festaff fields another camper van area to replace bath & west. Ive done some ruff measuremnts and the areas arent that much differnt. I think this idea could save alot of money and no need for all the crappy old fume buses running all day everyday .

 

Bath West - 67,000 square metres

Oxfam & Festaff including parking - 108,000 square metres

Arcadia - 64,000 square metres

Without parking at oxfam then oxfam would fit into the arcadia space, I know the downside would be that oxfam couldnt park right next to the site but When I did it I think I'd prefer to be within the festival.

 

 

mystic meg ? 

[stuie]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

we lost a few things the year just gone so cutbacks arent beyond the realms of possibility 

What did we lose? 

[Crazyfool01]

19 minutes ago, stuie said:

What did we lose? 

blues and gully ,, silent discos , avalon cafe with no performers passes, worm hole  . a stage in SEC where .... budgets were definately run on 2019 budgets , earache 

Edited October 4, 2022 by Crazyfool01

[gfa]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

blues and gully ,, silent discos , avalon cafe with no performers passes, worm hole  . a stage in SEC where .... budgets were definately run on 2019 budgets 

SEC was unaffected i thought (bar genosys but that decayed in storage vs actually getting scrapped due to money)

[stuie]

4 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

blues and gully ,, silent discos , avalon cafe with no performers passes, worm hole  . a stage in SEC where .... budgets were definately run on 2019 budgets 

I don't think we can be sure any of that can be pinned down to budgets - Gully and Blues went in the shakeup of SH and Lonley Hearts club etc replaced, Worm Hole was a one year wonder in a strange location.  Avalon Cafe and GFL fell out for some reason.  And I'm not sure what stage you mean in the SEC, but if it was Genosys, there was a mould reason for that one! 

As for silent disco's, they can get in the bin anyway! 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, stuie said:

I don't think we can be sure any of that can be pinned down to budgets - Gully and Blues went in the shakeup of SH and Lonley Hearts club etc replaced, Worm Hole was a one year wonder in a strange location.  Avalon Cafe and GFL fell out for some reason.  And I'm not sure what stage you mean in the SEC, but if it was Genosys, there was a mould reason for that one! 

As for silent disco's, they can get in the bin anyway! 

ive heard budgets were capped at 2019 levels for SEC ... im pretty confident on that tbh .... there were definately budget restrictions around site for 2019 they wouldn't have just been for SEC 

[incident]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Avalon Cafe and GFL fell out for some reason.

I think more specifically the old organisers at Avalon Cafe were the victim of someone (ie. whoever made the decision on behalf of the festival) wanting to do someone else (ie. the new organisers, who have a local connection) a favour.

I think the falling out was the result of that change, rather than the cause. But yeah, I don't think it was primarily budget.

[Skip997]

4 minutes ago, stuie said:

I don't think we can be sure any of that can be pinned down to budgets - Gully and Blues went in the shakeup of SH and Lonley Hearts club etc replaced, Worm Hole was a one year wonder in a strange location.  Avalon Cafe and GFL fell out for some reason.  And I'm not sure what stage you mean in the SEC, but if it was Genosys, there was a mould reason for that one! 

As for silent disco's, they can get in the bin anyway! 

Real shame about Gully and Blues, esp the latter, it was my favourite small stage. Didn't get to Lonely Hearts so can't comment. Always hated Avalon cafe so no great loss IMO. SEC lost the SCUM stage.

Totally agree about silent disco's.

Edited October 4, 2022 by Skip997

[Crazyfool01]

wether you like the silent discos  or not they still disappeared . 

[gazzared]

30 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

mystic meg ? 

Haha just seems the easiest way to save money and staying in bath west showground is fucking shit 

[stuie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

ive heard budgets were capped at 2019 levels for SEC ... im pretty confident on that tbh .... there were definately budget restrictions around site for 2019 they wouldn't have just been for SEC 

This is kind of understandable, as the tickets were mostly sold in Oct 2019 for 2022, but I don't think they cut stuff, like has been suggested in this thread, at least! 

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

wether you like the silent discos  or not they still disappeared . 

It's not something I've ever paid any attention too as I'm always down the non-silent discos in the SEC but I'm pretty sure there were some there.  I remember reading about Fatboy Slim playing one. 

[gigpusher]

12 minutes ago, incident said:

I think more specifically the old organisers at Avalon Cafe were the victim of someone (ie. whoever made the decision on behalf of the festival) wanting to do someone else (ie. the new organisers, who have a local connection) a favour.

I think the falling out was the result of that change, rather than the cause. But yeah, I don't think it was primarily budget.

They did advertise that they needed performers but didn't have any performer passes so people would need to have their own ticket. I have never seen that happen before so presumably that was budget related. 

[MaxPower]

Park probs my favourite stage crazy to say to cut it.

Saw in the ticket thread someone suggested binning Arcadia and moving JPT into that field and having it run from day til close - think that’s actually a sensible shout although I suppose Arcadia does bring something special to the festival.

Unsure how that would impact the Arcadia/Park pinch point but maybe it would help if you oriented the JPT entrances away from Park.

[gigpusher]

1 hour ago, March Hare said:

Get rid of Williams Green and replace it with something arty.

Ditch The Park stage (terrible sound) and move those acts to other stages replacing the middle of the road bland choices on during the day.

Leave the rest of The Park area. I like chilling there.

I love The Park Stage and never had issues with sound there. I think if The Park Stage was to go I'd be gutted. It was also Emily's baby so I really can't see it happening. 

[giantkatestacks]

I actually think moving William's Green somewhere else would be good - the congestion around it is becoming untenable I think. 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

20 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

wether you like the silent discos  or not they still disappeared . 

Just very quietly

[Hugh Jass II]

39 minutes ago, giantkatestacks said:

I actually think moving William's Green somewhere else would be good - the congestion around it is becoming untenable I think. 

Only on Thursdays does it get really congested though.

[Tranquility of Solitude]

8 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

Only on Thursdays does it get really congested though.

Quite right.... to which, I think, the obvious answer is to put a few more choices on elsewhere, say BBC introducing, or The Park, to draw some of the Thursday crowds away from WG.

[incident]

59 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

They did advertise that they needed performers but didn't have any performer passes so people would need to have their own ticket. I have never seen that happen before so presumably that was budget related. 

Pretty sure it's just that they no longer had the same relationships that the previous crew had built up over many years.

Like most of the smaller stages outside the late night areas and T&C, the previous organisers never had many spare performer passes either, hence most of the people playing also doing double (or triple, or more) duty on other stages across the weekend.

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, gigpusher said:

I love The Park Stage and never had issues with sound there.

Same, I've had some fabulous times there. 

There are quite a few suggestions where folks think something should go, but it's not apparent that it would save money. 

Just slap another couple of hundred quid on the hospitality tickets 😊. 

Many of the companies selling them are rinsing their customers for compulsory extras and most of us don't care how much those folks pay 😉

[Avalon_Fields]

2 hours ago, incident said:

I think more specifically the old organisers at Avalon Cafe were the victim of someone (ie. whoever made the decision on behalf of the festival) wanting to do someone else (ie. the new organisers, who have a local connection) a favour.

I think the falling out was the result of that change, rather than the cause. But yeah, I don't think it was primarily budget.

To be fair, I thought the replacement for Avalon Cafe was an improvement, more attractive and not just a jumble of loose seating.

[Avalon_Fields]

1 hour ago, giantkatestacks said:

I actually think moving William's Green somewhere else would be good - the congestion around it is becoming untenable I think. 

Difficult to think where to move it to, without getting rid of something else. I agree the congestion isn’t great, at its worst the barricade stopping entry was by the foot of the Acoustic field so it’s a long detour if your trying to get round it. Was it closed off about 200 metres in all directions??