Headliners 2023

[fingers_mark]

1 hour ago, jannybruck said:

I'm not even a fan but even I know the band really grafted around Manchester back in the day and worked their way up without any help whatsoever.

Having a mum who's on a soap opera (and neither parents even in the music industry) is hardly an immediate, glittering ladder to stardom. C'mon.

And we all know The 1975 would be nothing without capped 4 times defender Ugo Ehiogu.

[topmarksbri]

32 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

Yeah it might get a demo into someone’s hands, but unless they have talent and application it won’t get them much further.

Right but how many bands have talent and application but don't have mum and dad to help?

[scatteredscreens]

There is a sense of a leg up if you have rich parents because you can afford to invest in gear or have more spare time to play/rehearse and not have to work, or have space to practice etc. That's always the way I've seen it, there is a sense of privilege but it won't guarantee you as a massive artist.

[Gnomicide]

Of course it helps to have parents with connections, it will get you at least one rung up the ladder higher than people without any connections, same in any industry.

But in most cases, you then need to have some modicum of talent and put some effort in, or that bunk up counts for nothing.

Unless, of course, you are a Tory politician. In which case no talent and no effort will get you to the very top.

Edited November 9, 2022 by Gnomicide

[addicted2noise]

8 minutes ago, scatteredscreens said:

There is a sense of a leg up if you have rich parents because you can afford to invest in gear or have more spare time to play/rehearse and not have to work, or have space to practice etc. That's always the way I've seen it, there is a sense of privilege but it won't guarantee you as a massive artist.

Most big pop acts these days (Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga) have wealthy parents who invested heavily into their career early on, they still need some talent to succeed although there are probably dozens of unknown more talented artists out there who never had the same advantage.

[Chrisp1986]

 

[leath02]

6 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

DiRo was announced even earlier for 2020 - 10th October.

Going back in time:
2019 - Kylie 19th December
2017 - Gibb came with the 1st poster
2016 - ELO 1st Feb
2015 - Lionel 30th November
2014 - Dolly 27th Feb
Before that they always came with the poster.

Legends quite early in the grand scheme of things then....

[scatteredscreens]

1 hour ago, addicted2noise said:

Most big pop acts these days (Ed Sheeran, Taylor Swift, Lady Gaga) have wealthy parents who invested heavily into their career early on, they still need some talent to succeed although there are probably dozens of unknown more talented artists out there who never had the same advantage.

Totally agree.

[clarkete]

Thank heaven that some organisations try to provide opportunities and hundreds of performance slots to artists from a variety of backgrounds

https://glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/information/emerging-talent-competition-performing/

[kalifire]

7 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

Always.

But is there always being no pattern in itself a pattern?

[Suprefan]

9 hours ago, scatteredscreens said:

There is a sense of a leg up if you have rich parents because you can afford to invest in gear or have more spare time to play/rehearse and not have to work, or have space to practice etc. That's always the way I've seen it, there is a sense of privilege but it won't guarantee you as a massive artist.

How else did Billie Eilish get to where she got if not for having parents in the industry.

Biggest nepotism act right now is Gracie Abrams. ( JJ Abrams' daughter ). Getting opening slots on Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swifts' tours in a year is nothing short of calling in favors. Even Maya Hawke isnt trying to do that kind of thing cause she would rather earn things on her own.

[MEGABOWL]

13 hours ago, topmarksbri said:

Speaking of, found out today Matt Healy's mum is Denise Welch which explains how such an incredibly mid band got so far, nepotism alive and well in show biz

😂 Yeah the well known music industry influencer that is (checks notes) Denise Welsh works her magic again

[Padgey]

6 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

😂 Yeah the well known music industry influencer that is (checks notes) Denise Welsh works her magic again

And don't forget his Dad's band Half a Shilling!

[Hugh Jass II]

5 minutes ago, Padgey said:

And don't forget his Dad's band Half a Shilling!

I never noticed that was Tim Healy and I must have watched that a thousand times!

[scatteredscreens]

13 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

😂 Yeah the well known music industry influencer that is (checks notes) Denise Welsh works her magic again

Probably has contacts though and lives comfortably. Which allows them to spend years grinding as a band with ease to finally get a hit (most people would have to work and have to give up), which given a quick wikipedia scan is basically what they did given they've somehow been around for years before they released anything.

[topmarksbri]

Apologies for making a flip remark about them being mid didn't think it would spark this much chat - if you like 1975 more power to you. 

But equally if you believe that having parents involved in media in any capacity doesn't give you a massive leg up - regardless of how talented and hard working you are - then I've got a bridge to sell you. 

[gfa]

Unfortunately for all who don't like them on here, nepotism won't stop them headlining the pyramid in the next 5 years.

[CaledonianGonzo]

27 minutes ago, gfa said:

Unfortunately for all who don't like them on here, nepotism won't stop them headlining the pyramid in the next 5 years.

Indeed. It'll be their declining popularity that does for them.

[DareToDibble]

31 minutes ago, gfa said:

Unfortunately for all who don't like them on here, nepotism won't stop them headlining the pyramid in the next 5 years.

Now we're talking!

[Franky]

In the bigger scheme of things, 

Does it matter if someone's success in the music industry has come through help from their wealthy parents or not? 

I don't listen to a piece of music and then decide if I like it based on how they got there, I like it or not because it is good or not.

SImples 

[Riggins]

3 hours ago, Suprefan said:

How else did Billie Eilish get to where she got if not for having parents in the industry.

Biggest nepotism act right now is Gracie Abrams. ( JJ Abrams' daughter ). Getting opening slots on Olivia Rodrigo and Taylor Swifts' tours in a year is nothing short of calling in favors. Even Maya Hawke isnt trying to do that kind of thing cause she would rather earn things on her own.

Dunno, as with the others, if the music was shite would she gets as far as she has? She's clearly extremely talented and has released fantastic music. Maya Hawke's music is a completely different vibe and to be honest, quite average, but let's not pretend she hasn't also experienced massive success from having parents in the industry too. 

[DeanoL]

31 minutes ago, Riggins said:

Dunno, as with the others, if the music was shite would she gets as far as she has? She's clearly extremely talented and has released fantastic music. Maya Hawke's music is a completely different vibe and to be honest, quite average, but let's not pretend she hasn't also experienced massive success from having parents in the industry too. 

That's true but there's more to it than that. That talent comes from the privilege of basically being able to focus your entire life on it, and having access to the best equipment and teaching money can buy, and not having to get a job to pay the rent.

Of course the end result is good. The idea of "natural talent" is massively overstated.

[Hugh Jass II]

46 minutes ago, Riggins said:

Dunno, as with the others, if the music was shite would she gets as far as she has? She's clearly extremely talented and has released fantastic music. Maya Hawke's music is a completely different vibe and to be honest, quite average, but let's not pretend she hasn't also experienced massive success from having parents in the industry too. 

I'd say nepotism was a far bigger issue in acting than music.

In the acting world famous parents will have far greater influence over directors/producers/casting agents and can use their influence to ensure their little darlings get cast over and over again.

In music they might be able to get them on to a stage and introduce them to the right people, but ultimately it's up to the public whether they succeed or fail.

[p.pete]

1 hour ago, Franky said:

In the bigger scheme of things, 

Does it matter if someone's success in the music industry has come through help from their wealthy parents or not? 

I don't listen to a piece of music and then decide if I like it based on how they got there, I like it or not because it is good or not.

SImples 

It doesn't matter with regards to what I listen to, or whether I go to see a headliner or not, to be fair.  Is that the bigger scheme of things though?  It'd be nice to live in a world of fewer c**ts, where being one was less well rewarded, in the bigger scheme of things.

Back to the smaller scheme of things, assuming the headliners come from a group 'largely' made up of those who had a leg up just to get started - and then talent sorts out the better rich kids from the lesser ones - imagine how brilliant things could be if there were more people getting the chance to do something with their talent?  Maybe not much more brilliant.

[p.pete]

11 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

I'd say nepotism was a far bigger issue in acting than music.

In the acting world famous parents will have far greater influence over directors/producers/casting agents and can use their influence to ensure their little darlings get cast over and over again.

In music they might be able to get them on to a stage and introduce them to the right people, but ultimately it's up to the public whether they succeed or fail.

The success or failure bit is true, probably in both industries.  If you make shit movies, and people stop watching them, you're going to be marginalised.  But in both (or any) industries - if you have someone sending you to the right school, getting you recording contracts, access to casting, opening up doors for venues or stages - the more you have the chance to do something, the more you spend time doing it, the better you become at it.

I'm shit at speaking in public, I know the best way to improve is to take every opportunity to make presentations and seek out opportunities etc.  The more hours you spend doing something, the more you magically.  I'm not arsed so I don't improve.  It's the same for acting & music - family, money and connections can give access to more of those basic opportunities to get going - put effort in and you improve.  After that yes public sentiment will stop most of them in their tracks, but I fully buy into the idea that 'most' people getting to the point where the public get their say are the ones who've had a better starting chance rather than starting talent.