Guns n Roses

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Hugh Jass II said:

It’s fine just to admit that you don’t like them rather than inventing spurious reasons for them not to headline.

i don't like them cos they're shit.even people who claim to like them say they're shit.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

On 11/4/2022 at 9:15 PM, Hugh Jass II said:

GnR represent the biggest example of eFests “I don’t like them so they shouldn’t play” in many a year. Absolutely no different to the festival booking Macca, The Cure, The Who, The Stones, Neil Young or any other heritage act who haven’t had a hit in over 30 years.

GnR are one of the biggest rock bands in history. They’ve sold millions of records, headlined festivals and sold out stadia all over the world. They are a more than worthy headliner by any objective metric you care to mention.

If people don’t like them that’s fine, go watch something else, but to suggest they are not headliner material is utter bollocks.

 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

On 11/4/2022 at 6:55 PM, Gnomicide said:

I, for one, welcome our ageing rock overlords. Bollocks to the nay-sayers, if they play, I'll love it.

As usual with these boards, when an act like this is mentioned, it seems entirely reasonable to moan and whinge, throw your dummy out the pram, proclaim them as shit and insist no-one will watch them. Say the same about a newer pop act and you're a misogynistic, out of touch, sexist, racist, old man shouting at a cloud.

Bring 'em on!

 

[Gnomicide]

I was talking to someone who is a fan and has seen them twice in recent years, said he loved them both times. That's good enough for me. Though I still can't see them playing*.

 

*I've reached the denile so that I'm not disappointed stage. 

[Mark H]

58 minutes ago, ClementsMike said:

So the GnR live updates. Guitar w*nkery, unknown bridging songs and an attendee so engaged he’s posting on a web forum.

No, sounds amazing. 

I had a great time 

[Mark H]

Ok. I’m on the train now. Feeling pessimistic about work tomorrow… But, I’ll sign off by saying that was headliner worthy and most people in the field will have an excellent night.

[Gnomicide]

1 minute ago, Mark H said:

Ok. I’m on the train now. Feeling pessimistic about work tomorrow… But, I’ll sign off by saying that was headliner worthy and most people in the field will have an excellent night.

Good to know, glad you enjoyed it. Always better to hear from people with first hand experience rather than take the views of people who have watched a few YouTube clips.

[DeanoL]

57 minutes ago, Neil said:

i don't like them cos they're shit.even people who claim to like them say they're shit.

Better or worse than Mumfords?

I dunno - I don't dislike the music but they're a bit gross and don't feel very Glasto to me. And to be fair the same applies to The Rolling Stones, but the Stones were good enough for that to be overlooked and GnR aren't quite there in my opinion.

[stuie]

57 minutes ago, Neil said:

i don't like them cos they're shit.even people who claim to like them say they're shit.

At this point, I think everyone knows your opinion on GnR. 

[Muppetmark]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

i don't like them cos they're shit.even people who claim to like them say they're shit.

So just like arctic monkeys

[Crazyfool01]

11 minutes ago, stuie said:

At this point, I think everyone knows your opinion on GnR. 

So in fairness I think most opinions are fairly clear at this point … as admin I guess Neil’s responses will become most focused on ( reasonably ) … GnR seem fairly divisive on these boards to me . Lots of people can’t see it but might well soon . 

[BambooShanks]

I saw GnR at Leeds fest in '02 and they were solidly whelming.  

On paper they tick the boxes as a heritage rock act headliner.  Approaching 40 years of activity, a fair few big tunes - whether you like them or not, it's hard to say that Sweet Child o' mine, November rain, Paradise City, Welcome to the jungle and their cover of Live and let die aren't good songs that are loved by many.  

Personally, GnR doesn't fill me with excitement but I can't recall when there's been a year where all 3 pyramid headliners did.

 

[Hugh Jass II]

1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

Better or worse than Mumfords?

I dunno - I don't dislike the music but they're a bit gross and don't feel very Glasto to me. And to be fair the same applies to The Rolling Stones, but the Stones were good enough for that to be overlooked and GnR aren't quite there in my opinion.

Pete Townsend has an interesting search history and yet has still headlined twice since I've been going.

[Hugh Jass II]

Actually, did that book he was "researching" ever come out?

[Skip997]

3 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

Pete Townsend has an interesting search history and yet has still headlined twice since I've been going.

There was a great documentary on the making of Tommy, Pete Townsend gives an entirely believable and convincing explanation.

But then contemporary society always prefer to believe the worst and are rarely prepared to take peoples past into account.

Edited December 8, 2022 by Skip997

[Hugh Jass II]

Just now, Skip997 said:

There was a great documentary on the making of Tommy, Pete Townsend gives an entirely believable and convincing explanation.

"I was researching a book guv, honest."

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Hugh Jass II said:

"I was researching a book guv, honest."

See my edit.

Or maybe watch the documentary if you can find it.

 

Edited December 8, 2022 by Skip997

[Hugh Jass II]

4 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

 

But then contemporary society always prefer to believe the worst and are rarely prepared to take peoples past into account.

"Yeah he was a lovely guy... right up until he fired up his laptop."

[Florian Saucer Attack]

7 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

"I was researching a book guv, honest."

He claimed he was working with a charity to show how banks were complicit in child porn. This is from wiki:

'Also arrested were Massive Attack's Robert Del Naja (later cleared)^[5] and The Who's guitarist Pete Townshend, who was cautioned by the police after acknowledging a credit card access to the Landslide website. Duncan Campbell later stated in PC Pro magazine that their credit card charges and IP addresses were traced through the Landslide site, and both were found to have accessed sites which had nothing to do with child pornography.^[18] The actor and writer Chris Langham was among those convicted' 

This is all part of 'operation one' which the UK authorities really messed up. They arrested a bunch of people who's bank details were stolen and then used to pay for child porn sites 

[pops1998]

1 hour ago, Muppetmark said:

So just like arctic monkeys

You don’t have to like Arctic Monkeys, but they definitely aren’t “shit.” 

[Alvoram]

2 minutes ago, Hugh Jass II said:

"Yeah he was a lovely guy... right up until he fired up his laptop."

There was nothing on his laptop... No evidence at all. His card was used to access a network that, amongst other things, had links to child porn...

He himself admitted to having accessed the offending sites as part of his research, and to expose the fact that UK banks were complicit in channeling funds to these people. They had no proof at all that it was the child sites he'd accessed and not some other, more innocent ones. Hence he was cautioned and no more. 

He may or may not be telling the truth... 🤷‍♂️ Don't suppose we'll ever know for sure. So it's up to you if you assume the worst, or assume the best, as long as you're conscious of the fact that all you're doing is assuming. 

[Muppetmark]

9 minutes ago, pops1998 said:

You don’t have to like Arctic Monkeys, but they definitely aren’t “shit.” 

A lot of people claim their live shows are shit dating back to glssto 13

[Hugh Jass II]

2 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

He may or may not be telling the truth... 🤷‍♂️ Don't suppose we'll ever know for sure. So it's up to you if you assume the worst, or assume the best, as long as you're conscious of the fact that all you're doing is assuming. 

Oh absolutely, I have absolutely no evidence to support anything. It's a matter of fact though that he was cautioned for accessing those sites and went on to headline Glastonbury twice.

The only actual point I'm making is that past misdemeanours are no obstacle to headlining these days.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

Just now, Hugh Jass II said:

The only actual point I'm making is that past misdemeanours are no obstacle to headlining these days.

 

[Florian Saucer Attack]

1 minute ago, Hugh Jass II said:

Oh absolutely, I have absolutely no evidence to support anything. It's a matter of fact though that he was cautioned for accessing those sites and went on to headline Glastonbury twice.

The only actual point I'm making is that past misdemeanours are no obstacle to headlining these days.

A caution is not a misdemeanour. A misdemeanour means you are guilty of a crime