Resale Club 2023

[gooner1990]

1 minute ago, Breeze said:

Which completely had to happen to avoid what happened at Roskilde one week after Glasto 2000.

and the fact the event in general was out of control.

I wasn't going then, but plenty of friends were and I've seen and read enough about it to know it couldn't continue in its current format!

[JB3]

Split out Silver Hayes into a separate festival.

That would reduce the burden.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, JB3 said:

Split out Silver Hayes into a separate festival.

That would reduce the burden.

Love saves the day festival ? 

[Skip997]

3 minutes ago, JB3 said:

Split out Silver Hayes into a separate festival.

That would reduce the burden.

Guess you're somewhat joking, not sure.

But what would really reduce the burden would be splitting out The Pyramid into a separate festival.

[gooner1990]

1 minute ago, Skip997 said:

Guess you're somewhat joking, not sure.

But what would really reduce the burden would be splitting out The Pyramid into a separate festival.

I can only go off what I've noticed since I've been going but I noticed the interest in the festival ramp up once Jay-Z headlined in 2008, then further when Beyonce headlined in 2011, then even further after The Rolling Stones headlined in 2013.

More recently I think the wall to wall BBC coverage and acts like Stormzy who comes from genres not usually associated with the festival have given it an all inclusive feel which is reflected in the crazy demand for tickets you've seen for the last couple of years.

[JB3]

15 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Guess you're somewhat joking, not sure.

But what would really reduce the burden would be splitting out The Pyramid into a separate festival.

Yeah I was joking Skipster!

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, gooner1990 said:

I can only go off what I've noticed since I've been going but I noticed the interest in the festival ramp up once Jay-Z headlined in 2008, then further when Beyonce headlined in 2011, then even further after The Rolling Stones headlined in 2013.

More recently I think the wall to wall BBC coverage and acts like Stormzy who comes from genres not usually associated with the festival have given it an all inclusive feel which is reflected in the crazy demand for tickets you've seen for the last couple of years.

Not sure the increased demand was entirely down to the acts. Remember they had a bit of trouble selling out in 2008, entirely due to Jay-Z headlining, he doesn't fit in with the increasing middle of the road audience. Although in contrast The Rolling Stones/Adele/"The Ginger Busker" entirely fit with that demographic.

BBC wall to wall coverage along with the establishment promoting it as a Wimbledon/Last Night of the Proms Great British Tradition which must not be missed has done more to increase demand.

Remember there are huge numbers that sit around the Pyramid all day, having to "suffer" the likes of Snoop/Run the Jewels/De La Soul just so they can say they've been there.

[CaledonianGonzo]

5 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Remember there are huge numbers that sit around the Pyramid all day, having to "suffer" the likes of Snoop/Run the Jewels/De La Soul just so they can say they've been there.

[citation needed]

[El Matador]

6 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Not sure the increased demand was entirely down to the acts. Remember they had a bit of trouble selling out in 2008, entirely due to Jay-Z headlining, he doesn't fit in with the increasing middle of the road audience. Although in contrast The Rolling Stones/Adele/"The Ginger Busker" entirely fit with that demographic.

BBC wall to wall coverage along with the establishment promoting it as a Wimbledon/Last Night of the Proms Great British Tradition which must not be missed has done more to increase demand.

Remember there are huge numbers that sit around the Pyramid all day, having to "suffer" the likes of Snoop/Run the Jewels/De La Soul just so they can say they've been there.

I'd say struggling to sell out 2008 had a lot more to do with the horrific weather the year before than with Jay-Z headlining. 

[Breeze]

20 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

and the fact the event in general was out of control.

I wasn't going then, but plenty of friends were and I've seen and read enough about it to know it couldn't continue in its current format!

The main problem with 2000 was the word went out that the fence was pointless and the population was soon huge. It was edgier and more lawless than it is now prior to then anyway, but it was really mental that year. Also nearly all the bogs completely overflowing (literally mountains above the seats in each turdis) as infrastructure was overloaded, so people were shitting everywhere. The crowd crushes at pinch points were mad. the only time I have even been genuinely worried at Glasto was in some of the crowd crushes that year. Was in one leaving the Other after, I think, Leftfield where everyone was completely pressed together and we didn't move an inch for at least 10 minutes. You couldn't raise your arms unless they were already up. I'm 6'6" so wasn't nearly as worrying for me as it was for some of our group.

Never worried about it since, but Elton on Sunday has me pausing for thought and I'll be planning v carefully as I genuinely think 70% of the festival might turn up. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

First year there was a real run on tickets was 2011 - so my assumption is that was less to do with the previous year's line up* (Gorillaz / Muse / Stevie) than the glorious weather.

 

* Or the previous 17 years of TV coverage.

[mazola]

They should just make the festival a bit shit so people don't want to go

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, mazola said:

They should just make the festival a bit shit so people don't want to go

The harder it fails the better things will be. Stands to reason.

[t0paz]

13 minutes ago, Breeze said:

Also nearly all the bogs completely overflowing

2000 was edgy as fuck. I vividly remember tents being picked up and carried off as well as blatant drug dealing on the railway track. I have absolutely no recollection of using a toilet at all though, let alone the state they were in. Nor do I remember who I saw instead of Bowie but looking back at the lineup I think it must have been Ozomatli!

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, t0paz said:

2000 was edgy as fuck. I vividly remember tents being picked up and carried off as well as blatant drug dealing on the railway track. I have absolutely no recollection of using a toilet at all though, let alone the state they were in. Nor do I remember who I saw instead of Bowie but looking back at the lineup I think it must have been Ozomatli!

Blatant drug dealing had been going on since the 80's, there used to be stalls with price lists on the path ways. Can't remember when it stopped.

 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

6 minutes ago, mazola said:

They should just make the festival a bit shit so people don't want to go

Once the mega acts dry up, so will the numbers queueing on See.

[Breeze]

 

18 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

First year there was a real run on tickets was 2011 - so my assumption is that was less to do with the previous year's line up* (Gorillaz / Muse / Stevie) than the glorious weather.

 

* Or the previous 17 years of TV coverage.

I remember struggling to get tickets in 2003 (total clusterfuck 24 hour ticket buying disaster - was it Aloud in those days?) and 2005 (ended up buying a mate one at end of May long after it had sold out because Orange as sponsor sold a few hundred via their WAP browser in the last week of May - remember WAP? lol - I didn't have an Orange phone but part of their website had a phone emulator on it so you could try out WAP and I bought it through that). 

2002 was easy because nobody believed the superfence would stop them lol

[cerv]

Big stretch to say bots are making things worse with next to no evidence of it actually happening at any scale.

Meanwhile there’s a huge amount of evidence all over this forum and beyond of hyper-organisation and efficient group forming to help get people through.

This used to be the secret sauce that regulars would deploy but everyone’s caught on to it now. The only edge I’ve now had is that people tend to give up when seeing ‘All allocated’ or a sold out tweet whereas I’ve kept going. It’s how I got my ticket this year and one for a friend in the resale.

[Johnnyseven]

41 minutes ago, t0paz said:

2000 was edgy as fuck. I vividly remember tents being picked up and carried off as well as blatant drug dealing on the railway track. I have absolutely no recollection of using a toilet at all though, let alone the state they were in. Nor do I remember who I saw instead of Bowie but looking back at the lineup I think it must have been Ozomatli!

I was there in 2000, it really didn't seem that different to me than 98 and 99. Didn't really notice loads more people but I was young, enjoying myself and probably not paying much attention. I remember going to one of the campsites one evening on, I think, the Saturday evening and the fence was just lying on the floor - you could have just strolled in. I can't complain though as I was one of those that got in without a ticket.

[Johnnyseven]

42 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Blatant drug dealing had been going on since the 80's, there used to be stalls with price lists on the path ways. Can't remember when it stopped.

 

I remember that still going on in 1998.

[WobblyPants]

2 hours ago, cerv said:

Big stretch to say bots are making things worse with next to no evidence of it actually happening at any scale.

I agree. Whilst some tech savvy have found ways to increase their chances, I think it’s been kept personal and not commercialised for a number of reasons. 
 

I can’t see the system changing unless See can find a cost effective way to authenticate the hundreds of thousands of requests the load balancers handle on ticket day.
They have a system which is considered broadly fair, is cost effective and sells out with little problems. Unless there is obvious and widespread abuse of its vulnerabilities I doubt it will change. 

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

There haven't been bots because it hasn't been possible so far, the only chance was with this new system that has been implemented for the resale.

If that's in place for the general sale next year you have zero chance unless you're in a block or using bots

[incident]

5 minutes ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

There haven't been bots because it hasn't been possible so far, the only chance was with this new system that has been implemented for the resale.

If that's in place for the general sale next year you have zero chance unless you're in a block or using bots

This is flat out untrue.

The payment requirement would not be an impediment for someone dedicated enough, just as it isn't in numerous other examples where bots are used. Don't want to go into detail but there's several ways it could be addressed.

[WobblyPants]

12 minutes ago, incident said:

This is flat out untrue.

The payment requirement would not be an impediment for someone dedicated enough, just as it isn't in numerous other examples where bots are used. Don't want to go into detail but there's several ways it could be addressed.

Agreed, I just don’t think it’s been commercially viable to use these outside of small groups.
There’s certainly no public evidence of this being offered as a service so I suspect it’s impact has been minimal. 

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

28 minutes ago, incident said:

This is flat out untrue.

The payment requirement would not be an impediment for someone dedicated enough, just as it isn't in numerous other examples where bots are used. Don't want to go into detail but there's several ways it could be addressed.

Does a bot exist that could enter the reg details, then also authentic a bank payment on a large scale?

 

Edit: I assume you mean the first part is untrue. The second part is true in my view, small groups / individuals are now hopeless if the payment requirements are gone.

Edited April 25, 2023 by BBC7BBCHEAVEN