Resale Club 2023

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

Add conspiracy theorists to the racist/we're like influencers angle!

That's a bingo! 😆

Edited April 26, 2023 by MEGATRONICMEATWAGON

[Bike_Like_A_Mum]

10 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I’m not a bloody influencer I work in a supermarket and post on a forum people on here are my friends . I know it’s hard to believe but the person who got my ticket I camped with and have met twice now and the people I’ve not met in person I intend to . 

Maybe you should consider influencer life. Influence a whole army of people wearing pyramid hats. It could be beautiful ✨️

[mufcok]

Has there been any evidence that people got in using bots, out of interest?

I don't really know enough about how they to pass comment on how this new payment system would effect them. If it has indeed opened the door for them to clean up though, then that needs sorting rapidly before the next sale.

It's one thing sucking it up if you don't get sorted but stuff like that is completely wrong

[gooner1990]

9 minutes ago, mufcok said:

Has there been any evidence that people got in using bots, out of interest?

I don't really know enough about how they to pass comment on how this new payment system would effect them. If it has indeed opened the door for them to clean up though, then that needs sorting rapidly before the next sale.

It's one thing sucking it up if you don't get sorted but stuff like that is completely wrong

I've seen a couple of people mention on here that they paid (or people they know did) bots to get them tickets...also someone posted a link to a bot script who said they had been using it for the 2019 and 2020 (cancelled) festivals.

[incident]

Just now, mufcok said:

Has there been any evidence that people got in using bots, out of interest?

On a non-commerical level, it's been happening for years but people wouldn't necessarily think to use the word "bot". Individuals will cobble together whatever collection of browser plugins and scripts they think will help - auto refreshers, form fillers, shortcut keys to allow them to do more and quicker than they would normally and other things. They won't use the word "bot", but in some of the more advanced cases it'll be near enough indistinguishable. Basically the point is to get the browser to automate the problematic parts - and in the Glastonbury ticket sale the single biggest obstacle is to refresh on a schedule (maximised within the limit) until the page changes.

[GoonerRob]

The key to an effective bot in this instance would be the ability to spin up / spoof different IP addresses to create multiple sessions without hitting the block. Im a decent coder but that is beyond me.

[worthyraver]

1 hour ago, gooner1990 said:

I've seen a couple of people mention on here that they paid (or people they know did) bots to get them tickets...also someone posted a link to a bot script who said they had been using it for the 2019 and 2020 (cancelled) festivals.

I posted that my mate claimed he got his resale tickets via a bot, I spoke to him last night and he said he was initially told it was a bot, but in fact it was  F5 F5 F5 by multiple people.

[gooner1990]

6 minutes ago, worthyraver said:

I posted that my mate claimed he got his resale tickets via a bot, I spoke to him last night and he said he was initially told it was a bot, but in fact it was  F5 F5 F5 by multiple people.

It wasn't you...someone else mentioned their mates had paid bots in the last 2-3 sales!

[hodgey123]

On 4/24/2023 at 10:03 PM, Field Commander Jefferson said:

How does this even work? is it like an auto refreshing programme that can bypass the queue or something??

Must admit I don't have much idea, but I think the gist was it just refreshed the page a lot faster than a human could do and then looked for changes in the server or whatever and then once it's in, that's it.

[emilya1993]

I've seen an account on instagram raffling off a male / female ticket pair for £150 a pop (12 numbers).

That's a bit of an aside obviously, but would hate to see all that creep in more. 

[mike46]

Did anyone notice the digits at the end of the URL were completely different this time? Rather than the usual 250000 ones which take you direct to the add reg page, I got multiple with random numbers  - looking back across my devices I got:

 

2575665

2500000

2455014

1450001

 

If that number changed to a randomly generated number each time, might it make it more difficult for people to know what to target the bots at? I mean it would probably only delay it by a minute while someone got that number at 9am and then targeted the bot toward it but maybe some steps in an attempt to stop them?

[ProperTea]

7 hours ago, dirtysteve said:

Personally, I think the influencers argument is borderline tinfoil hat territory. I am, though, concerned that this new paymentless system is ripe for abuse by bots and touts in a way that it wasn't before. I think it would be a Bad Thing for the festival to move in this direction and I hope they see sense before the next ticket day.

The influencers argument reminds me of when they stopped selling tickets in person/over the phone, and people complained that the demographics of the festival would change as it was only people with internet access who would be able to get tickets. 

Edited April 26, 2023 by ProperTea

[cam12n]

1 hour ago, emilya1993 said:

I've seen an account on instagram raffling off a male / female ticket pair for £150 a pop (12 numbers).

That's a bit of an aside obviously, but would hate to see all that creep in more. 

I've seen the same account, not sure how much I'd trust a random Instagram account with £150!

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

5 hours ago, GoonerRob said:

The key to an effective bot in this instance would be the ability to spin up / spoof different IP addresses to create multiple sessions without hitting the block. Im a decent coder but that is beyond me.

You don't need to spoof IP addresses. Creating fake chrome profiles would seem to be enough to create separate sessions that you could have different refresh limits on

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

4 hours ago, worthyraver said:

I posted that my mate claimed he got his resale tickets via a bot, I spoke to him last night and he said he was initially told it was a bot, but in fact it was  F5 F5 F5 by multiple people.

Definitely saw a few people offering the service on D iscord for the 2019 sale and seemed successful, but i wouldn't be willing to give my bank card details to a stranger online.

If I only had to give them my reg details and a one off payment, different story altogether 

[OLAS]

42 minutes ago, cam12n said:

I've seen the same account, not sure how much I'd trust a random Instagram account with £150!

Would you mind posting Instagram account?

[Dejalves]

46 minutes ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

Definitely saw a few people offering the service on D iscord for the 2019 sale and seemed successful, but i wouldn't be willing to give my bank card details to a stranger online.

If I only had to give them my reg details and a one off payment, different story altogether 

I failed in the main sales with a group (one through but payment crashed), not a sniff in resales despite begging friends and having 10 refreshing on my behalf (one got through 9:20 but it said all allocated). One of my friends who helped is a dev and said I should have asked earlier as he could have tried making a bot.

This was the first time in 5 yrs that I've been able to go, gutted to miss out so can't lie I'm tempted to 'make my own luck' next year and take up his offer. With the increasing demand and the lack of payment we're gonna see more desperate people who think the same. If you're a group of 2 or 3 your odds are trash anyway. 

[Yeo-vile idiot]

2 minutes ago, Dejalves said:

I failed in the main sales with a group (one through but payment crashed), not a sniff in resales despite begging friends and having 10 refreshing on my behalf (one got through 9:20 but it said all allocated). One of my friends who helped is a dev and said I should have asked earlier as he could have tried making a bot.

This was the first time in 5 yrs that I've been able to go, gutted to miss out so can't lie I'm tempted to 'make my own luck' next year and take up his offer. With the increasing demand and the lack of payment we're gonna see more desperate people who think the same. If you're a group of 2 or 3 your odds are trash anyway. 

I know two different couples that each got tickets on Sunday by themselves with one pc each on the go. So they both played the odds  quite well.

[WobblyPants]

I feel like there’s a bit of Mis-understanding and fearmungering in this thread regarding ‘bots’. 
 

Just to be clear there is no concrete evidence of any automated software that has been deployed at scale in the Glastonbury ticket sales.
 

The link to the script posted earlier is only akin to someone using  an auto refresher which checks for text on the page. It lacks the critical element of being able to scale those requests above the rate limiter for a single IP/session.
 

The new system is slightly more vulnerable to someone setting up a commercial business offering to secure tickets for people. 
 

A few people writing and running scripts to help them make as many requests as possible is likely to have small impact on other peoples success rates, especially if those other people have a lot of people trying for them.

Until we see/hear of widespread use of a commercialised automated service, it’s probably not going to make a big difference. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Isn't the fact that they've introduced the 60 refreshes per minute limit on transactions evidence that bots have been in play for a number of years now?

[incident]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Isn't the fact that they've introduced the 60 refreshes per minute limit on transactions evidence that bots have been in play for a number of years now?

They've had that limit for a long long time, on all See hosted sites.

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

I don't think anyones claiming there has been, just that removing a payment requirement opens it up. 

If you create a bot that is able to create hundreds/thousands of unique sessions with auto-refresh under the limit and enter registrations from a list you could absolutely game the system used in the resale without any financial risk/ trust requirements. 

 

Personally I hate the large buying blocks (five different spreadsheets I think, what a joke) on here / dis cord / Reddit etc., basically ruins it for any genuine groups of friends/family trying

 

The suggestion earlier of linking registrations to me is the best I've seen, it would strip the advantage of those groups of internet strangers and bots in one go 

[gordong]

3 minutes ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

I don't think anyones claiming there has been, just that removing a payment requirement opens it up. 

If you create a bot that is able to create hundreds/thousands of unique sessions with auto-refresh under the limit and enter registrations from a list you could absolutely game the system used in the resale without any financial risk/ trust requirements. 

 

Personally I hate the large buying blocks (five different spreadsheets I think, what a joke) on here / dis cord / Reddit etc., basically ruins it for any genuine groups of friends/family trying

 

The suggestion earlier of linking registrations to me is the best I've seen, it would strip the advantage of those groups of internet strangers and bots in one go 

How does it ruin genuine groups? You would just add your friends and family to  your group or add them to the sheet. There’s no barriers stopping anyone from getting involved aside from a bit of research.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, BBC7BBCHEAVEN said:

I don't think anyones claiming there has been, just that removing a payment requirement opens it up. 

If you create a bot that is able to create hundreds/thousands of unique sessions with auto-refresh under the limit and enter registrations from a list you could absolutely game the system used in the resale without any financial risk/ trust requirements. 

 

Personally I hate the large buying blocks (five different spreadsheets I think, what a joke) on here / dis cord / Reddit etc., basically ruins it for any genuine groups of friends/family trying

 

The suggestion earlier of linking registrations to me is the best I've seen, it would strip the advantage of those groups of internet strangers and bots in one go 

has it not removed / lowered the chances of success for large buying groups now ... people struggle to get in once,  let alone twice to help another person .... the only real advantage is to have lots of people helping a single group now 

[BBC7BBCHEAVEN]

Ah ok, so if everyone does it then it's not a problem.

It affects it because your odds increase exponentially with larger groups, as people get tickets you have more and more trying for the remainder of the group 

If a group of six mates are trying, one gets through, happy days they've got tickets and thats six less people trying the servers.

Everyone's entitled to do it, and I'm entitled to think it's a bit scummy.

All I'm saying is the system could be made fairer and anyone arguing against that is most likely doing so in bad faith.