Stadium Ticket Pricing

[Suprefan]

3 hours ago, Superunknown said:

Doesn't stop other acts from charging £35 for a t shirt. 

For what it's worth I got a t shirt from the Leeds show and it's decent quality, quite soft too. They could have charged more if they wanted but they didn't so that should be commended rather than trying to look for negatives in why they did it. 

Well an interesting thing I noticed is that the cure just put up the gig specific posters for this run and theyre only £12 each? Average gig specific poster here costs around £25. If theyre in the mode of "we dont need the money" and are pretty much just charging what things need to cost and probably a bit above to just turn a profit then good for them. Will show you an opposite one where there had to be justification on the cost of merch items. Paramore trying to save the planet so we have to spend £60 on a sustainable hoodie.

 

There was this article from yesterday talking about how some artists are just eating the costs of some things cause they still want a sold out gig. And seems its 2024 when things will go back to "normal".

https://www.billboard.com/pro/music-concerts-2022-prices-problems-stars-analysis/

 

Edited December 13, 2022 by Suprefan

[gfa]

57 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

There was this article from yesterday talking about how some artists are just eating the costs of some things cause they still want a sold out gig. And seems its 2024 when things will go back to "normal".

Prices are never going back to normal, whatever that is. Even glasto who are more likely to reign in costs / not pass shit on to consumers as much will be going up another £30 for '24

[Suprefan]

10 hours ago, gfa said:

Prices are never going back to normal, whatever that is. Even glasto who are more likely to reign in costs / not pass shit on to consumers as much will be going up another £30 for '24

Some prices will go back down, theyll have to. When its more balanced when it comes to touring acts there will be more tour busses lying around and fuel costs will be not as high for starters. As the article mentions, its slowing starting to settle down in the area of how many acts are on the road cause they likely will have made up their tour dates and income so they can go back to a more normal routine of producing music and then gigs. It wont be some mad scramble to book every venue and such. Rental companies wont be as strained and there will be more to go around for logistics. Unless we as ticket buyers just stop buying tickets then gigs will keep going and then there wont be as much change as we hope when they realize everyone is broke. And yeah, Glasto likely will go up again cause theyre in that position of having to keep the lights on vs getting talent as a priority. But the question remains, what is our limit on that ticket price since the new barrier of 400 is looming even closer than ever. 

[Memory Man]

There is no way prices are going back down. Thats for the faries i’m afraid. Once a level is set that is the level

[gigpusher]

25 minutes ago, Memory Man said:

There is no way prices are going back down. Thats for the faries i’m afraid. Once a level is set that is the level

The market sets the level though so if we have a full blown recession and less people can afford to go then artists will have to make the decision whether to play to less people at higher prices or more people at slightly lower prices. We have to accept that small to mid level artists are doing their best and need to charge the prices they do to make a living. Some of the top end artists though clearly have room to manoeuvre. It's a case of them deciding how big their pay day needs to be to justify going on the road. 

Ideally if you could fix it so that artists were better rewarded for their recorded music then tour prices could come down as well. What we forget is in the 80's and 90's tours weren't always for profit as they were to advertise the albums etc but now it's where artists need to make their money which sucks for the more dedicated like us who are probably buying vinyl, merch and many gig tickets but so many people see music as something which should be free these days. 

[BenG92]

19 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

The market sets the level though so if we have a full blown recession and less people can afford to go then artists will have to make the decision whether to play to less people at higher prices or more people at slightly lower prices.

Or just not tour. Animal Collective said they're just not bothering, they'd be breaking even and it's not like the tour will encourage AC fans to spend more money on merch/music than they already do.

Prices aren't going back down. I might have scoffed at blink-182 costing £95 to stand but it sold out in seconds. Glasto as usual sold out immediately, Download 2023 is the fastest-selling ever apparently at £345 a ticket (for 4 days). Doesn't matter what the market looks like, there will always be enough people who can afford to go even when others can't. 

[gigpusher]

10 minutes ago, BenG92 said:

Or just not tour. Animal Collective said they're just not bothering, they'd be breaking even and it's not like the tour will encourage AC fans to spend more money on merch/music than they already do.

Prices aren't going back down. I might have scoffed at blink-182 costing £95 to stand but it sold out in seconds. Glasto as usual sold out immediately, Download 2023 is the fastest-selling ever apparently at £345 a ticket (for 4 days). Doesn't matter what the market looks like, there will always be enough people who can afford to go even when others can't. 

Yep that's why I said we need to accept the prices for the small/medium level gigs. They're not taking the piss and they just don't have the economies of scale to make it as profitable. Touring must be a pretty gruelling life if you are not doing it in luxury as well so I don't blame any of the smaller acts for not wanting to do it. 

[Skip997]

Ed Sheeran ticket touts ordered to repay £6m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63972820

[stanh]

1 hour ago, Skip997 said:

Ed Sheeran ticket touts ordered to repay £6m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-63972820

Interesting read! Cheers for that.

[MrZigster]

@Zoo Music Girl's comment in the Brixton thread made me wonder just how much extra security since Bataclan and Manchester Arena has added to costs.

[gfa]

17 hours ago, MrZigster said:

@Zoo Music Girl's comment in the Brixton thread made me wonder just how much extra security since Bataclan and Manchester Arena has added to costs.

Ticket costs only really shot up over covid - i went to brixton 2 weeks ago and it felt like any other time pre-covid (not been going for as long as many). Pretty standard search, nothing crazy. Even if metal detectors etc are bought they'll already be used by football games and will pay themselves off pretty quickly i'd have thought.

Its probably the stadiums trying to make money off artists more than anything (also likely why such random stadiums have been used recently e.g. MCR at MK Bowl, killers at all kinds of random ones too)

[4AssedMonkey]

It's also expected that Martyn's Law will come into effect in 2023 some time.  That will also have a time/cost burden on the venue and the larger the capacity, the more they will be expected to do to try and prevent a terrorist attack, so stadiums will take the biggest hit.  Personally, I don't think the measures would potentially stop a determined homicidal maniac and the whole thing is political rather than practical, but it's still going to add to costs.

[Suprefan]

On 12/18/2022 at 9:18 AM, MrZigster said:

@Zoo Music Girl's comment in the Brixton thread made me wonder just how much extra security since Bataclan and Manchester Arena has added to costs.

 Nothing crazy because  after Las Vegas over here I had a gig 3 days later and we had metal detectors at the venue which never had em and every venue did that afterwards so its standard.after Manchester I was at Coachella that weekend

and they added an extra wristband scan and bag check before the gates and snipers that weekend to the fest.

 

Btw, in the name of being eco friendly i give you the $100 Billie Eilish hoodie 

Edited December 20, 2022 by Suprefan

[gfa]

12 hours ago, 4AssedMonkey said:

It's also expected that Martyn's Law will come into effect in 2023 some time.  That will also have a time/cost burden on the venue and the larger the capacity, the more they will be expected to do to try and prevent a terrorist attack, so stadiums will take the biggest hit.  Personally, I don't think the measures would potentially stop a determined homicidal maniac and the whole thing is political rather than practical, but it's still going to add to costs.

Important to note somewhere like Wembley has gigs what 10 nights a year so the upfront cost will not be spread out well vs say the o2 or Brixton which have gigs probably 300 nights a year. Although Wembley may share equipment with like parks/other stadiums/football matches.

[Olshansky]

ticket prices are bad everywhere i know,  but they are particularly bad here in America where it just seems like we trying to be the worst of the worst at all things all the time.  Depeche Mode tickets at Madison Square Garden started at $350 for the worst seats.  They go up to over $1000, and if you include the "Platinum Seating" options exceed $1600.  for one ticket.  before fees.   Now, NYC can be outrageously expensive just because it's NYC.  So I looked at chicago.  Floor tickets $700, tickets one level up BEHIND the stage so you won't even get to see their faces, $150.  It's absolutely outrageous.  

i would really like to see Depeche Mode, but not at those prices.  

[4AssedMonkey]

1 hour ago, Olshansky said:

ticket prices are bad everywhere i know,  but they are particularly bad here in America where it just seems like we trying to be the worst of the worst at all things all the time.  Depeche Mode tickets at Madison Square Garden started at $350 for the worst seats.  They go up to over $1000, and if you include the "Platinum Seating" options exceed $1600.  for one ticket.  before fees.   Now, NYC can be outrageously expensive just because it's NYC.  So I looked at chicago.  Floor tickets $700, tickets one level up BEHIND the stage so you won't even get to see their faces, $150.  It's absolutely outrageous.  

i would really like to see Depeche Mode, but not at those prices.  

I love Depeche Mode and they are on my bucket list of acts I want to see, but the ticket prices on this tour are outrageous, bordering on disgusting. I’m shocked they are selling TBH, especially as there’s no Fletch. Reeks of a last hurrah to fill the bank accounts and frankly, I think it’s piss poor.

[gfa]

1 hour ago, 4AssedMonkey said:

I love Depeche Mode and they are on my bucket list of acts I want to see, but the ticket prices on this tour are outrageous, bordering on disgusting. I’m shocked they are selling TBH, especially as there’s no Fletch. Reeks of a last hurrah to fill the bank accounts and frankly, I think it’s piss poor.

only bordering on disgusting is generous

circa 150$ should be the absolute maximum for any seat, not restricted view!!

[4AssedMonkey]

8 minutes ago, gfa said:

only bordering on disgusting is generous

circa 150$ should be the absolute maximum for any seat, not restricted view!!

I guess. And I know this is an internet forum and all participants are morally obliged to take violently extreme and polarised positions, but I remain a compassionate moderate. Apologies.

[Suprefan]

3 hours ago, Olshansky said:

ticket prices are bad everywhere i know,  but they are particularly bad here in America where it just seems like we trying to be the worst of the worst at all things all the time.  Depeche Mode tickets at Madison Square Garden started at $350 for the worst seats.  They go up to over $1000, and if you include the "Platinum Seating" options exceed $1600.  for one ticket.  before fees.   Now, NYC can be outrageously expensive just because it's NYC.  So I looked at chicago.  Floor tickets $700, tickets one level up BEHIND the stage so you won't even get to see their faces, $150.  It's absolutely outrageous.  

i would really like to see Depeche Mode, but not at those prices.  

Well I paid $150 for a  lower level seat and $100 for an upper level one for both gigs Im going to go to on the DM tour. Survival of the fittest it seems.

[gfa]

35 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Well I paid $150 for a  lower level seat and $100 for an upper level one for both gigs Im going to go to on the DM tour. Survival of the fittest it seems.

Selfishness more like

[Suprefan]

11 hours ago, gfa said:

Selfishness more like

Not my fault I know how to buy concert tickets and others dont. Figuring out how the system works, where theres value in seat location etc is a big thing but nobody wants to put effort into figuring that out and just hope for the best when an onsale happens. Being prepared more than others isnt selfish, its smart.

[4AssedMonkey]

31 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Not my fault I know how to buy concert tickets and others dont. Figuring out how the system works, where theres value in seat location etc is a big thing but nobody wants to put effort into figuring that out and just hope for the best when an onsale happens. Being prepared more than others isnt selfish, its smart.

Don't want to speak for gfa, but I think he's hinting at the fact that if people continue to buy ludicrously overpriced tickets, it's perpetuating the model, which means those who can't afford it will continue to be priced out.

I'm desperate to see DM live, have been for years but the stars never aligned.  I could afford to splash out on it and buy a £300-£400 ticket to do so but I can't square that with myself morally.  It's just wrong.

[gfa]

12 minutes ago, 4AssedMonkey said:

Don't want to speak for gfa, but I think he's hinting at the fact that if people continue to buy ludicrously overpriced tickets, it's perpetuating the model, which means those who can't afford it will continue to be priced out.

I'm desperate to see DM live, have been for years but the stars never aligned.  I could afford to splash out on it and buy a £300-£400 ticket to do so but I can't square that with myself morally.  It's just wrong.

Pretty much yeah

Supre your basically saying if i'm fine then bun the rest, big tory energy that

[DeanoL]

Interesting story here about how people were turned away from Gervais' gig if they had resale tickets through Viagogo: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/york-ricky-gervais-tickets-fiasco-174623078.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABXSwJB7kZEzgvfa-lv5O6ek25JegCHMkQgxAr7PDbmZY-u_vaNz8qC5_yAA9ypYKw4NuUl_schZwVxgjTNsoWMtXNOa7qsW2KcOO8xmbjt_qZXzN-EyiZbDX_cqeWPptVHarMiAfSQZiUUTLLwINq7-cEAPCHzEVa4J2z76GxDc

Reading between the lines, it does seem to be more that the venue were getting a lot of fake tickets (presumably people selling on the same e-ticket multiple times) rather than doing it for ethical reasons. But it's probably the first time we've seen anyone take an actual shot at Viagogo.

[gfa]

51 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Interesting story here about how people were turned away from Gervais' gig if they had resale tickets through Viagogo: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/york-ricky-gervais-tickets-fiasco-174623078.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAABXSwJB7kZEzgvfa-lv5O6ek25JegCHMkQgxAr7PDbmZY-u_vaNz8qC5_yAA9ypYKw4NuUl_schZwVxgjTNsoWMtXNOa7qsW2KcOO8xmbjt_qZXzN-EyiZbDX_cqeWPptVHarMiAfSQZiUUTLLwINq7-cEAPCHzEVa4J2z76GxDc

Reading between the lines, it does seem to be more that the venue were getting a lot of fake tickets (presumably people selling on the same e-ticket multiple times) rather than doing it for ethical reasons. But it's probably the first time we've seen anyone take an actual shot at Viagogo.

Surely if they are on the TM app its clear which are real and then any fakes are turned away for viagogo to deal with (with sellers facing repercussions and buyers getting refunds)

Turning away everyone is just pointless really - if you don't want tickets on viagogo put in proper provisions to stop it happening in the first place.