tigger123 Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 32 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said: I’m not familiar with the layout and location of this venue but I’ve been to events where a police/steward line check that only those with valid tickets are allowed within at least 100 metres of the venue. That usually dissuades ticketless fans from attempting to get near the main doors. Is that possible here? Unfortunately not. It’s on a street corner, which itself is about 10/15m away from brixton high street, so a 100m cordon would cause traffic and footfall chaos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balti-pie Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said: I’m not familiar with the layout and location of this venue but I’ve been to events where a police/steward line check that only those with valid tickets are allowed within at least 100 metres of the venue. That usually dissuades ticketless fans from attempting to get near the main doors. Is that possible here? Not really, it’s on th crossroads of a side street that’s about twenty yards from a really busy high street, and maybe a couple of hundred yards from a tube station. It’s always busy, from 7am to midnight pretty much. They could cordon off the side street and keep people there before allowing them near the front doors (as they have done a few times when I’ve got there early on occasion) but the main doors open on to the street and you can’t easily set up a cordon. mostly unconnected news, but UEFA have rules about the area around a stadium when they’re using them for football tournaments - you have to have a security cordon a good hundred yards from the stadium for a ticket check and bag search. At some stadiums it’s not a problem at all, but at others it’s a monumental ballache and involves all sorts of stretches of temporary fencing and shit-tons of security staff. Extra logistics for a tournament every four years, but a right pain for Brixton academy six nights a week - I hope they can set it up in a decent, safe way for everyone involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Chris Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 Ok, it’s usually been football matches that I’ve had to go through a cordon of police and stewards. I see the difficulties that this venue has because of its location. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balti-pie Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said: Ok, it’s usually been football matches that I’ve had to go through a cordon of police and stewards. I see the difficulties that this venue has because of its location. I went over to France for euro 2016; at the parc des princes it was easy to set up a cordon, and it worked a treat. quick, organised, logical. It was absolutely shite at the stade des Frances though, the queues were monstrous and everything was crap. It’s so dependant on the area immediately around the ground and the logistics. I wasn’t surprised when Liverpool had all their issues at the stade des Frances at the champs league final last year, it’s just a really badly run stadium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Leyrulion said: The statement from the police is actually positive. The force said it would "allow time to work with the venue to facilitate a safe reopening" So they're conceding that it can reopen, just in a safe way that they work with the venue on. That's great, cos if anything goes wrong again in the future, the venue can blame the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rivalschools.price Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) 27 minutes ago, balti-pie said: I went over to France for euro 2016; at the parc des princes it was easy to set up a cordon, and it worked a treat. quick, organised, logical. It was absolutely shite at the stade des Frances though, the queues were monstrous and everything was crap. It’s so dependant on the area immediately around the ground and the logistics. I wasn’t surprised when Liverpool had all their issues at the stade des Frances at the champs league final last year, it’s just a really badly run stadium Yeah, I was at the Euros in 2016 and the ticket was checked a good two or three times before you got anywhere near the grounds. Obviously that couldn’t work at Brixton though Edited January 14, 2023 by rivalschools.price Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leyrulion Posted January 14, 2023 Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 1 hour ago, balti-pie said: Not really, it’s on th crossroads of a side street that’s about twenty yards from a really busy high street, and maybe a couple of hundred yards from a tube station. It’s always busy, from 7am to midnight pretty much. They could cordon off the side street and keep people there before allowing them near the front doors (as they have done a few times when I’ve got there early on occasion) but the main doors open on to the street and you can’t easily set up a cordon The only thing that seems plausible is temporary closing of the road in front for the 2-3 hours around entry. Like what football stadiums do. Divert the traffic to behind the venue by either making the road behind two way by altering the bus lane times or send traffic further round. All issues that would cause traffic chaos. I guess they could do a risk assessment and not have to do that for every concert. Manchester arena closes off a similarly busy road on exit now and it's just accepted that you avoid that part of the city when it's kicking out time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfa Posted January 14, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2023 4 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said: Ok, it’s usually been football matches that I’ve had to go through a cordon of police and stewards. I see the difficulties that this venue has because of its location. This is fine for like stadium shows and does happen as its only a few nights a year, Brixton has something on basically every day Booking the blaze for brixton just now and seen the 3 months thing - my ticketmaster voucher is about to expire though so just going to book anyway and hope they extend my voucher's usage period! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suprefan Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64263074 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul ™ Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 8 minutes ago, Suprefan said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64263074 Was just reading that, not surprised as I've seen it happen at other events. We used to do penetration tests at events where we would send unknown staff round to gates at festivals to try bribe their way in. Some promoters still do. Not good for the security contractor if this is indeed true and what's allegedly been happening did happen that evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a6l6e6x Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 16 minutes ago, Suprefan said: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-64263074 Yikes Had a feeling something like this would come out as I've been pointed towards touts by the security there before. I think this happens at most venues and hopefully with it now being very publicly known and linked to a tragic event the will knuckle down on it. It's very common practice at glasto and the security companies definitely need to address it I still think the blame lies with the many that turned up without a ticket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 At The Prodigy's second show in Brixton last year, I had an issue transferring a ticket to my partner via the See app and when she tried to enter, it wasn't registering when scanned. I got through ok but walked back when I could see she wasn't close behind. After a dozen failed attempts, the person scanning the tickets just let her in without question. The tickets were legit, I'd got them myself through See but I was surprised that we were just let through so easily without any form of checking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Pose Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Seen this happen first hand at other venues so no surprise sadly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 29 minutes ago, a6l6e6x said: Yikes Had a feeling something like this would come out as I've been pointed towards touts by the security there before. I think this happens at most venues and hopefully with it now being very publicly known and linked to a tragic event the will knuckle down on it. It's very common practice at glasto and the security companies definitely need to address it I still think the blame lies with the many that turned up without a ticket But they are turning up because they know there is a good chance of getting in without a ticket so isn't that on the security company for being corrupt in the first place. If it was a well known fact that even if you didn't have a ticket there's a good chance you'll get into a event if you turn up and give x money to security then it's that fact that causes people to turn up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a6l6e6x Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, gigpusher said: But they are turning up because they know there is a good chance of getting in without a ticket so isn't that on the security company for being corrupt in the first place. If it was a well known fact that even if you didn't have a ticket there's a good chance you'll get into a event if you turn up and give x money to security then it's that fact that causes people to turn up. Yeh I agree more will definitely turn up if they have been told they can bribe their way in, there should still be some thought into it being a sold out event capacities exist for a reason Interesting in the article someone mentioned Fred again as I didn't feel like that one was overly rammed Either way this needs to stop immediately and sold out should mean with no exception that you cant get in unless you have a ticket from a legitimate source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenelk Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 I'm sure we've all been at gigs where something not right has happened with the capacity. I remember being at a Manics gig at Shepherds Bush Empire a few years back, and downstairs was utterly rammed from front right to the back, far busier than I've ever seen. I complained to a security card and basically got told to shut up or leave. Thankfully nothing tragic happened as it did that night in Brixton, but the Academy is certainly not the only venue that has this problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaskins Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 Was supposed to be seeing Royksopp there next month.. well this has pissed on my chips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuie Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 1 hour ago, a6l6e6x said: Yikes Had a feeling something like this would come out as I've been pointed towards touts by the security there before. I think this happens at most venues and hopefully with it now being very publicly known and linked to a tragic event the will knuckle down on it. It's very common practice at glasto and the security companies definitely need to address it I still think the blame lies with the many that turned up without a ticket To get in through a gate at Glasto you'd need to get past more that one person, or have a wristband and pass out ticket already. I can't see how you'd get in by giving cash to security... on foot through a gate at least. Perhaps in a vehicle or through a tunnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass II Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 2 minutes ago, stuie said: To get in through a gate at Glasto you'd need to get past more that one person, or have a wristband and pass out ticket already. I can't see how you'd get in by giving cash to security... on foot through a gate at least. Perhaps in a vehicle or through a tunnel. Yeah I thought bribery was more about getting smuggled in rather than going through the gates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elias Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 12 minutes ago, stuie said: To get in through a gate at Glasto you'd need to get past more that one person, or have a wristband and pass out ticket already. I can't see how you'd get in by giving cash to security... on foot through a gate at least. Perhaps in a vehicle or through a tunnel. There are other gates apart from the main ones (A, B, C & D). I assumed that is where any abuse of the system would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfa Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 People getting in without tickets is an issue but what should really be the headline is that there were 110 security staff instead of 190. Based on £10/hour x 6 hours x 80 staff thats almost a £5k saving per night on takehome wages alone. 80 security staff missing is appalling, its almost 50% 15 minutes ago, stuie said: To get in through a gate at Glasto you'd need to get past more that one person, or have a wristband and pass out ticket already. I can't see how you'd get in by giving cash to security... on foot through a gate at least. Perhaps in a vehicle or through a tunnel. You would need to at Brixton too, theres 3 different ticket scans (queue entry, searches and then to get into the standing area) There's alternate ways in though anyway, if you knew someone theres countless fire doors etc you could be snuck in through or security would just walk you through the front door even i bet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home to you Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 In my experience you get your ticket checked on 2-3 separate occasions at Brixton Academy so I'm not sure how you manage to bribe your way in 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
home to you Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, gfa said: People getting in without tickets is an issue but what should really be the headline is that there were 110 security staff instead of 190. 100% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted January 17, 2023 Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 18 minutes ago, gfa said: People getting in without tickets is an issue but what should really be the headline is that there were 110 security staff instead of 190. Based on £10/hour x 6 hours x 80 staff thats almost a £5k saving per night on takehome wages alone. 80 security staff missing is appalling, its almost 50% You would need to at Brixton too, theres 3 different ticket scans (queue entry, searches and then to get into the standing area) There's alternate ways in though anyway, if you knew someone theres countless fire doors etc you could be snuck in through or security would just walk you through the front door even i bet They only scan your ticket at the entrance before the bag searches. Theyll check your ticket to get into the downstairs bit, but if you have a fake one, they wouldn't know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfa Posted January 17, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, zahidf said: They only scan your ticket at the entrance before the bag searches. Theyll check your ticket to get into the downstairs bit, but if you have a fake one, they wouldn't know Fair enough, its often a bit hazey at Brixton! Still the fact over 40% of the security weren't there is the more crucial issue, incredibly negligent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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