Avalon 2023

[DeanoL]

6 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

I mean, Tories aren't some kind of mythical beast, that if they act their "Tory" way, are going to be gobbling people up? They're not going to go around the festival privatising the stages and the tents?

How does someone in your opinion act openly "Tory"?

Maybe belittling people in crowds, chanting something childish at people, sending them a snowflake meme?

This is the point being made: if someone is openly Tory at Glastonbury, they will be met with an equal and opposite force. If they start spouting nonsense, they'll get told why they are stupid. If they start shouting, they will be shouted back at. Things that, in the real world, they may not be used to.

Hence people might advise, maybe keep quiet about it. If you're happy being met with equal and opposite force then by all means knock yourself out. If you don't want that, maybe keep it to yourself. Because you're out of your depth. 

[DeanoL]

6 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

My point is that some users think its a good thing to subdue others at the festival based on their political affiliation

True. We want to subdue and discourage them from saying Tory stuff because it's often hurtful and offensive. And they'll get stick for it which they likely won't enjoy in return.

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to remind them that they're not liked

Nope. They are liked.

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 and shouldn't say or act how they would normally.

If they would normally go about being loudly Tory and chanting the Tory manifesto, yes, we don't want them acting that way. If they'd normally be dicks because they don't believe in helping others than yes, we don't want them acting that way either. We want people to pick up others that fall over in the crowd. If, like 99.9% of people, their party political affiliation has 0% influence on how they act day to day, then it really doesn't matter either way.

Edited April 19, 2023 by DeanoL

[Crazyfool01]

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

Just now, DeanoL said:

Maybe belittling people in crowds, chanting something childish at people, sending them a snowflake meme?

This is the point being made: if someone is openly Tory at Glastonbury, they will be met with an equal and opposite force. If they start spouting nonsense, they'll get told why they are stupid. If they start shouting, they will be shouted back at. Things that, in the real world, they may not be used to.

Hence people might advise, maybe keep quiet about it. If you're happy being met with equal and opposite force then by all means knock yourself out. If you don't want that, maybe keep it to yourself. Because you're out of your depth. 

I hope if anyone spouts nonsense or starts shouting for no reason they'll get asked to calm down?

I feel like you've got some absurd stereotype in your head of how a Tory acts. 

[stuie]

This is hurting my head.  You can't see them or identify them but despite this, you may subdue them and remind them they are not liked. OK. Got it. 

 

[p.pete]

2 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

Mel C is a maybe, hopefully G Aplin too

Edit: maybe Elvana, Far From Saints, Laura Mvula - they won't win any clashes but if they were convenient when something on WH has just finished kind of thing

Edited April 19, 2023 by p.pete

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

True. We want to subdue and discourage them from saying Tory stuff because it's often hurtful and offensive. And they'll get stick for it which they likely won't enjoy in return.

Nope. They are liked.

If they would normally go about being loudly Tory and chanting the Tory manifesto, yes, we don't want them acting that way. If they'd normally be dicks because they don't believe in helping others than yes, we don't want them acting that way either. We want people to pick up others that fall over in the crowd. If, like 99.9% of people, their party political affiliation has 0% influence on how they act day to day, then it really doesn't matter either way.

Again with all these cliches. 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

This is hurting my head.  You can't see them or identify them but despite this, you may subdue them and remind them they are not liked. OK. Got it. 

 

Hypocritical thought is difficult to accept by some people I guess. It's not even a difficult concept to understand, how are you not getting it!?

Edited April 19, 2023 by MEGATRONICMEATWAGON

[stuie]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

Jamie Webster for sure! 🙂 

[balti-pie]

7 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

Elvana for definite! avalon is always somewhere i'll pop in for a beer at the wonderful bar, and i pretty much never do anything there other than beer, or walk through on my way somewhere else. I dont think ive seen a band there since the Wurzels in possibly 2010 and that was absolutely rammo. Elvana will defo get me back though (shifts permitting)

[sisco]

16 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

Hoping Jamie Webster and Lissie.  Would be more than happy to watch a few others though 

[Crazyfool01]

im a maybe for jamie webster and Elvana .... hadnt quite realised how much I liked on here .... when I was initially a bit disappointed 

[sfroml]

21 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

Definitely Lottery Winners. In fact my wife, son and I  are going to see them tomorrow night in Leeds. I'd heard good things about for them for quite some time, then managed to see them at Live in Leeds last October. They were certainly worth the hype and good press. Great pop/indie rock songs and one of the most engaging bands I've ever seen. My chest hurt from laughing so much!

[DeanoL]

25 minutes ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

I hope if anyone spouts nonsense or starts shouting for no reason they'll get asked to calm down?

I feel like you've got some absurd stereotype in your head of how a Tory acts. 

Again, that's the view in my head of how someone "being openly Tory at Glasto" acts.

Is it ridiculous? Yes. But I've asked you three times to tell me what it actually looks like in your head and you've not done so.

How do most Tories act at Glasto? By not mentioning it and "keeping their heads down."

How do most Labour voters act at Glasto? By not mentioning it and "keeping their heads down."

For someone to be identifiably Tory at Glasto, they must be doing so *loudly* otherwise we wouldn't know. 

I'm happy to concede I might be missing something, but you gotta give me something here. What's the "Tory behaviour" you think should be allowed but we are saying should be discouraged? Specific, actual, behaviour. Not philosophical "right to be your whole authentic self" bollocks. Behaviours that would mark someone out as a Tory that wouldn't upset anyone else and would realistically happen at a festival.

Because I'm drawing a blank mate.

 

Edited April 19, 2023 by DeanoL

[Enkidu]

cba reading through the whole thread but regarding the tory stuff:

Although it may seem a paradox, Popper was right when he said that intolerance should not be tolerated. It's easy for some (usually middle-class white people) to be dismissive and just say "Oh well, we're all entitled to our opinions! 🙂" but when those "opinions" are supporting political parties & ideologies that cause death, poverty and suffering to millions of people... then I think it is right to treat those people like shit. Fact is if you're still supporting the tories after everything they've done, then you're probably a piece of shit and should not be treated well at all. If I walked into my local pubs wearing a nazi uniform I'd no doubt be ostracised by the people in there - why should we not do the same for supporters of other cruel right wing political parties?

The idea of "live and let live" is incredibly privileged and only serves to validate and prolong evil.

[DeanoL]

26 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

Hobo, Lottery Winners and Beans.

[ahoykatie]

24 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

I'm definitely in for Elvana and Jake Shears!!! Scissor Sisters' first album came out when I was 10 and we listened that album in the car every time we drove to school - i think those lyrics are etched on the inside of my brain 😄 

[Enkidu]

tl;dr: if you dont want to be bothered for being a Tory at Glastonbury then either:

A. Don't be a Tory
B. Don't go to Glastonbury
 👺

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, ahoykatie said:

I'm definitely in for Elvana and Jake Shears!!! Scissor Sisters' first album came out when I was 10 and we listened that album in the car every time we drove to school - i think those lyrics are etched on the inside of my brain 😄 

just had a look and was thinking what year i saw them at Glastonbury 2004 ffs .... 

 

[Gnomicide]

1,219 pages of politics here...

Dive right it.

Anyhoo.... I'm up for seeing Webster, Lottery Winners, Damned, Hobo, Beans, Shaw, FFS, Holy Moly, Eleanor, Neville and Vintage Trouble. Possibly others that I haven't listened to yet. 

None of them are absolute must sees though so I could end up missing them all but I suspect I'll be spending quite a lot if time there after only seeing one act on Avalon last year.

 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, Gnomicide said:

1,219 pages of politics here...

Dive right it.

Anyhoo.... I'm up for seeing Webster, Lottery Winners, Damned, Hobo, Beans, Shaw, FFS, Holy Moly, Eleanor, Neville and Vintage Trouble. Possibly others that I haven't listened to yet. 

None of them are absolute must sees though so I could end up missing them all but I suspect I'll be spending quite a lot if time there after only seeing one act on Avalon last year.

 

had that link primed and ready to go 🙂 

[sime]

42 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Right Avalon .... who's everyone seeing ? im hobo jones , Mel C  and Jake Shears .  who's seeing any of them ? 

There are a bunch of names I would like to see but I will need to see the full timetable of acts across the festival before I know which Avalon acts I will definitely see. That being said, I have a feeling that I will be there a fair bit as I don't spend enough time there and want to change that. I do hope to see Mica Paris. She is a big draw for me. 

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

40 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Again, that's the view in my head of how someone "being openly Tory at Glasto" acts.

Is it ridiculous? Yes. But I've asked you three times to tell me what it actually looks like in your head and you've not done so.

How do most Tories act at Glasto? By not mentioning it and "keeping their heads down."

How do most Labour voters act at Glasto? By not mentioning it and "keeping their heads down."

For someone to be identifiably Tory at Glasto, they must be doing so *loudly* otherwise we wouldn't know. 

I'm happy to concede I might be missing something, but you gotta give me something here. What's the "Tory behaviour" you think should be allowed but we are saying should be discouraged? Specific, actual, behaviour. Not philosophical "right to be your whole authentic self" bollocks. Behaviours that would mark someone out as a Tory that wouldn't upset anyone else and would realistically happen at a festival.

Because I'm drawing a blank mate.

 

This is one long weird take. I answered you when I said that Tory voters at glasto are likely behaving just like everyone else. They're normal people who happen to vote Tory. They're not causing any trouble.

Labour voters also keep their heads down? What's your definition of the idiom? Feel like you're using it in a way that's counter to its actual definition. Because that's obv not true.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. There's people at the fest who are happy knowing that it's unwelcoming environment for some. It doesn't matter if you can see them or not, if they're acting Tory or not.

[ahoykatie]

57 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

just had a look and was thinking what year i saw them at Glastonbury 2004 ffs .... 

 

Hahahah don't feel too bad, i'm turning 30 this year and i'm already feeling quite out of touch with gen z 😄 

[clarkete]