Football 2023/24

[Neil]

4 hours ago, balti-pie said:

where was this Replay energy from Klopp when Wolves were robbed of a winner there last season?

Oh yeah, it wasnt there . . .  

was there a similar admission of a reffing f**k-up?

[thetime]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

was there a similar admission of a reffing f**k-up?

Howard webb contacted wolves when they should have had a blatant penalty at utd, the VAR and ref officials were dropped from the next weekend fixtures. 

Pretty much an admission.

City a similar situation last season, when rashford was yards offside. 

Was there not a game last season when VAR allowed a goal, due to the camera angle being int he wrong place?

Lets be honest everyone in football knew how liverpool was going to react. 

[pink_triangle]

It’s an almighty cock up as a result of user error, these things happen in football and outside football. You just have to learn from it and take moves to stop it happening again.

[charlierc]

I mean... this is f**king wild. Seeing the Toon limp to a 0-0 draw at Reading in the Championship in 2017 feels like a whole other lifetime ago.

[charlierc]

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

It’s an almighty cock up as a result of user error, these things happen in football and outside football. You just have to learn from it and take moves to stop it happening again.

I wonder how many Liverpool fans are also fans of Lewis Hamilton still reeling from the almighty failure of race protocol at the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that cost Hamilton his 8th world title.

But all sports have officials that make errors, and as said, the PGMOL have issued 14 different apologies to multiple different clubs since the start of last season (one of whom seems to frequently be Brighton, who had 3 different apologies last season). It happens.

Ofc, if we have no VAR, that goal is still offside as the default view was offside. Worse blunders were made in the pre-VAR era than that one imo, it's just the desperation to rush the check saw the VARs somehow forget what they were meant to be doing. It's still a sh*t look, but it seems like something that may mean we need to rethink how we do this.

[thetime]

3 minutes ago, charlierc said:

I wonder how many Liverpool fans are also fans of Lewis Hamilton still reeling from the almighty failure of race protocol at the 2021 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix that cost Hamilton his 8th world title.

But all sports have officials that make errors, and as said, the PGMOL have issued 14 different apologies to multiple different clubs since the start of last season (one of whom seems to frequently be Brighton, who had 3 different apologies last season). It happens.

Ofc, if we have no VAR, that goal is still offside as the default view was offside. Worse blunders were made in the pre-VAR era than that one imo, it's just the desperation to rush the check saw the VARs somehow forget what they were meant to be doing. It's still a sh*t look, but it seems like something that may mean we need to rethink how we do this.

It's liverpool

[Skip997]

11 hours ago, charlierc said:

the PGMOL have issued 14 different apologies to multiple different clubs since the start of last season

Does that not suggest that there are serious problems with the implementation of VAR.

Something that has been brought to the surface by Liverpool and hopefully changes will be made to improve it, benefiting all clubs.

But no lets mock and continue bring tribal.

[Neil]

46 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Does that not suggest that there are serious problems with the implementation of VAR.

no, the idea is flawed,  incidents and their decisions are mostly too subjective for a system like var.

[Gnomicide]

16 hours ago, charlierc said:

That clip was just of miscommunication as a gateway to mutual incompetence, not any conspiracy, case closed.

 

Very much this. The idea that there is a conspiracy by PGMOL and the Premier League to fix matches against Liverpool is laughable. Liverpool is one of the biggest teams in the world, any success they have amplifies the Premier League brand around the world and helps them sell it.

As someone mentioned, Klopp hasn't demanded a replay, just said he'd like one. It's never going to happen. I think we'll just see improvements in comms by the VAR officials while a game is going on. After a decision is made, they will change from "check complete" to something like "player is onside, goal stands" or "player is offside, no goal" depending on the outcome. Just make it clearer.

21 hours ago, Neil said:

its just more of the victim syndrome that's liked in liverpool.

Jesus.  

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Gnomicide said:

Very much this. The idea that there is a conspiracy by PGMOL and the Premier League to fix matches against Liverpool is laughable. Liverpool is one of the biggest teams in the world, any success they have amplifies the Premier League brand around the world and helps them sell it.

As someone mentioned, Klopp hasn't demanded a replay, just said he'd like one. It's never going to happen. I think we'll just see improvements in comms by the VAR officials while a game is going on. After a decision is made, they will change from "check complete" to something like "player is onside, goal stands" or "player is offside, no goal" depending on the outcome. Just make it clearer.

Jesus.  

He was a Liverpudlian, so was trump, both undeserved  victims.

[Gnomicide]

22 minutes ago, Neil said:

He was a Liverpudlian, so was trump, both undeserved  victims.

What are you on about?

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Gnomicide said:

What are you on about?

victim complex "i did everything right and they indicted me (trump).

[Gnomicide]

1 minute ago, Neil said:

victim complex "i did everything right and they indicted me (trump).

What's that got to do with Liverpool?

[Neil]

47 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

What's that got to do with Liverpool?

first part.

[Gnomicide]

8 minutes ago, Neil said:

first part.

You know the whole 'victim' thing is a Hillsborough slur, yeah? I expected better from you.

[Neil]

Just now, Gnomicide said:

You know the whole 'victim' thing is a Hillsborough slur, yeah? I expected better from you.

its also a recognised response to various incidents.

[Neil]

same as liverpudlians love their gran, they all like to tell us (just like sonia always did).

[Crazyfool01]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

its also a recognised response to various incidents.

Just like it is everywhere bloody hell neil thought this was a club you liked ? 

[Neil]

3 hours ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Just like it is everywhere bloody hell neil thought this was a club you liked ? 

 That wasn't a comment on the club.

[thetime]

9 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

You know the whole 'victim' thing is a Hillsborough slur, yeah? I expected better from you.

Isn't it in connection with heysel? 

For example 'never there fault, always the victim'. 

Edited October 5, 2023 by thetime

[Gnomicide]

8 hours ago, thetime said:

Isn't it in connection with heysel? 

For example 'never there fault, always the victim'. 

No, it's Hillsborough and people saying it was the fault of Liverpool fans, even after it has been proven this was not the case.

For Heysel, people were charged,  onvicted and did time for it. 

[Skip997]

New VAR protocol for this weekends games according to the guardian:
 

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New VAR guidelines in Premier League this weekend
PA Media are reporting that new VAR guidelines will be in use in the Premier League this weekend. It follows the now infamous confusion between Darren England (the VAR) and the referee Simon Hooper, which led to Luis Diaz’s goal for Liverpool being incorrectly disallowed for offside.

After audio of the incident was released on Tuesday, referees’ body PGMOL said it would develop a new VAR communication protocol, in an effort to avoid similar mistakes – and it appears that protocol will now be in force right away. PGMOL plan to “enhance the clarity of communication between the referee and the VAR team in relation to on-field decisions”.

VARs will now also confirm the outcome of the checking process with the assistant VAR before confirming the final decision to on-field officials, to avoid errors of miscommunication. The protocols should also allow for issues to be raised once play has restarted, which was not previously possible

But of course it was all about Liverpool and never meant to improve things for all teams.

[Skip997]

Miguel Delaney
@MiguelDelaney
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39m PGMOL and the Premier League have committed to a regular release of in-game audio of on-field officials and VAR teams in 2023/24.

[Punksnotdead]

2 hours ago, Skip997 said:

New VAR protocol for this weekends games according to the guardian:
 

But of course it was all about Liverpool and never meant to improve things for all teams.

Jeez, some people take football WAAAAY too seriously! It was a week ago - let it go!

[thetime]

9 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

No, it's Hillsborough and people saying it was the fault of Liverpool fans, even after it has been proven this was not the case.

For Heysel, people were charged,  onvicted and did time for it. 

I'm unsure it's just about Hillsborough, it probably has something to do with it. But also heysel, the suarez case when you all wore shirts to support a racist.