Football 2023/24

[thetime]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

 

Started when the PL was formed, got critical when Chelsea were bought, ended when City were bought.

Nothing to do with titles.

So when liverpool stopped winning titles then. 

[Crazyfool01]

I get some might not be as keen , I wasn’t keen on fergie , passionate managers can be easily maligned just by the nature of that . People around Liverpool think pretty highly of him and that’s enough for me 

[Skip997]

1 minute ago, Crazyfool01 said:

 People around Liverpool think pretty highly of him and that’s enough for me 

And that's people in general, not just football fans.

[thetime]

Just now, Skip997 said:

I only started trying not to watch last season.

I tell you what give it a try, after 50 odd years, it's like trying to give up smoking.

Wish I could, and if Liverpool hire some boring middle of the road duffer i probably will.

Football is like any entertainment industry, it's motivated by money. 

Why give it up, if I still enjoy watching. 

Liverpool fans are over reacting on klopps greatness, 4 major trophies in 8 and a half years isn't exceptional. 

He's done well, but no more than he should be doing. He never built on his leagues success, I expected him to do a united and win title after title. 

[Skip997]

4 minutes ago, thetime said:

He's done well, but no more than he should be doing. He never built on his leagues success, I expected him to do a united and win title after title. 

You either really don't understand or are just being deliberately awkward.

MAN CITY!!!!!!

Anyway, it's beyond trophies, it's also about: class, dignity and doing it the right way.

Please don't come back asking "what is the right way". I'm not going to answer. Those who know, know.

 

Edited January 26 by Skip997

[thetime]

4 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

You either really don't understand or are just being deliberately awkward.

MAN CITY!!!!!!

 

 

Chelsea? 

When they emerged with there dodgy money and 2 titles, united won 4 titles in 5 years. 

Klopp wasn't capable of doing that. 

[kaosmark2]

2 minutes ago, thetime said:

Chelsea? 

When they emerged with there dodgy money and 2 titles, united won 4 titles in 5 years. 

Klopp wasn't capable of doing that. 

But it's different cos Liverpool!

[Skip997]

Where is the banging head against a wall emoji

No wonder football is f**ked.

Will you all be happy when half the PL is owned by nation states and the games are in Dubai and Saudi?

[thetime]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

Where is the banging head against a wall emoji

No wonder football is f**ked.

Will you all be happy when half the PL is owned by nation states and the games are in Dubai and Saudi?

You are hardly owned by scousers. 

[Skip997]

3 minutes ago, thetime said:

You are hardly owned by scousers. 

No

But at least we're owned by people who have made us self sustaining, are not running up debt and loading it against the club, who are not taking dividends and lining their own pockets, are investing in the infrastructure etc

But most importantly are working within all FFP and other financial restrictions and are not cooking the books in order to cheat their way to multiple titles.

[Skip997]

 

[thetime]

2 minutes ago, Skip997 said:

 

I'd rather not. 

 

[pink_triangle]

On 1/23/2024 at 11:21 AM, Gnomicide said:

Fair point on City, get them punished! 

"Not punishing the fans" though is pretty much impossible if there's to be any meaningful deterrent, just look at all the fans of clubs hit with point deductions in the lower leagues. Many of those were due to miss management and overspending by new owners who came in and thought they could get on some sort of gravy train. When it goes tits up, it's always the fans who suffer.

Is it fair on the fans of teams that have been relegated due to other teams breaking the rules?

I have never got the idea of not punishing fans. The same fans are happy if the owners make risky transfers which result in benefit. You can’t say fans should only benefit.

[pink_triangle]

3 hours ago, lost said:

I actually think most fans of other clubs liked him during the first few years. There has definatley been a change in demeanor though which I guess is probably linked to him wanting to quit.

That was my view, I liked him before he became all moany

[Neil]

1 hour ago, thetime said:

Football is like any entertainment industry, it's motivated by money. 

Why give it up, if I still enjoy watching. 

Liverpool fans are over reacting on klopps greatness, 4 major trophies in 8 and a half years isn't exceptional. 

He's done well, but no more than he should be doing. He never built on his leagues success, I expected him to do a united and win title after title. 

looks like he might get another before hes gone.

[Neil]

wonder if the player identification team has an algorithm for managers?

[Superscally]

3 hours ago, thetime said:

Won't be 2, will go in free fall now. I remember when fergie initially quit in the early 00's. 

How you can count a covid title, when no one was interested is beyond me. Even ole looked a good manager in covid times. 

It was won before lockdown. Only got close when we weren't interested. Salt.

[thetime]

36 minutes ago, Superscally said:

It was won before lockdown. 

Not like a liverpool fan to be factually wrong. 

You have won 1 title in 34 years, no need to be salty here. 

Edited January 26 by thetime

[Superscally]

57 minutes ago, thetime said:

Not like a liverpool fan to be factually wrong. 

You have won 1 title in 34 years, no need to be salty here. 

It was won the second Salah slammed one past De Gea. We're quite happy with our lot, cheers. 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, thetime said:

Not like a liverpool fan to be factually wrong. 

You have won 1 title in 34 years, no need to be salty here. 

try your oen advice, how are utd doing nowadays?

[charlierc]

8 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

and Wayne Rooney!

Now that's a suggestion too far.

[charlierc]

4 hours ago, kaosmark2 said:

4/5 years ago I would have agreed. But he loves finding scapegoats and excuses, he's literally complained about the length of grass on a pitch! I question how much he cares for different people/issues and how much is performative. I'll never know, but between his whining and the mentality of Liverpool fans over recent years, I think him leaving before he gets even more insufferable is a good thing for the game.

Nature of the beast imo. I respect Klopp and the rapport he built with Liverpool's fans but since he started directly blaming BT Sports' pitchside reporters for 12:30 kick-offs, some of that wore off.

Tbf, I can respect the fact he's decided it on his own terms that he's had enough and wants time away from frontline management. Think Wenger's legacy might've looked better had he made this call a few years before he actually left Arsenal.

I'm also intrigued for what direction they go in when they pick their new boss as a general fan. Xabi Alonso is the early favourite and has had a brilliant season so far with Leverkusen but wonder if it's a gamble to go all in on him. Maybe it'll need him to stick the landing and win the Bundesliga to make me think that's the best idea. Some of the other names I'm less sure on. Was surprised, for instance, to see somebody talk up Diego Simeone as an idea.

[Skip997]

For the football heathens amongst you

Quote

He won cups and improved players but most of all the German knew that what matters most is how football makes you feel

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2024/jan/26/with-hope-in-his-heart-how-jurgen-klopp-rescued-liverpool

[charlierc]

4 hours ago, thetime said:

Won't be 2, will go in free fall now. I remember when fergie initially quit in the early 00's. 

How you can count a covid title, when no one was interested is beyond me. Even ole looked a good manager in covid times. 

We all recall how badly it went for Man United after Fergie left. Certainly as a Mag I noted that Moyes' only season in charge was the first time Newcastle won at Old Trafford against Man U in 40 years, but that West Brom managed to also break a streak that lasted closer to 50 and Swansea got a first one ever.

I thought Man Utd's 2001/02 season went to sh*t after Fergie decided to u-turn on his retirement idea, even if it hadn't been going well before then, and they still came back to win 2002/03. Even if that one was thanks to Arsenal have a late season meltdown.

... I think. It's been a minute since 2003 and I was only about 12 at the time.

[Skip997]

6 minutes ago, charlierc said:

 Xabi Alonso is the early favourite and has had a brilliant season so far with Leverkusen but wonder if it's a gamble to go all in on him. Maybe it'll need him to stick the landing and win the Bundesliga to make me think that's the best idea.

Liverpool need a manager that "gets them", Alonso falls into that category.

In my lifetime only 3 Liverpool managers haven't been suitable, only one of them fell into the "gets them" bracket, not sure what went wrong with Souness (I was in Asia for most of his tenure). Rodgers and (particularly) Hodgson just didn't get it at all.