2025 Headliners

[stuie]

1 hour ago, henry bear said:

Fred's dead baby. Fred's dead

😱 Not to be the punctuation police but a comma would be useful here! 

[GrumpyRaver]

1 hour ago, Crazyfool01 said:

Is also someone’s first post … and although we mostly talk about pyramid headliners here that’s not clear on thread tittle … personally I’d not be sure they’d be back as Jake shears was in Avalon last year ? Wasn’t he headlining that ? 

Strangely, I don’t check somebody’s post history before replying.

[NorthernSoul52]

I do wonder how much Billy Joel would want for this. 

[northernangel]

13 hours ago, charlierc said:

I remember it going down as a triumph at the time with reviews and punters. Curious that 5 years later it's The Killers that actually seem to have done better out of their 2019 Glastonbury set given they've gone from resorting to Swansea and Bolton only to selling out a 12 date stadium run.

 

They always had longevity. Tell me the same last time Stormzy was booked to headline his own outdoor set? Glastonbury crowds will make artists look bigger than what they are....you've got 200k people there. You look at avril lavigne's crowd for example, physically selling that many tickets to her own gigs wouldn't happen. His arena tour announcement didn't come until the devenber after his show for the 2020 year and it didn't just sell out instantly. 2015 was when there was a bit of a shift change for Glastonbury headliners starting. I think they took an option to start booking a bit differently off of a year whereby for Glastonbury people may call the 2014 set of headliners quite weak...I thought it was a too set myself but Kasabian and Metallica at Glastonbury anyway would not have been considered prime choices. I'm into Metallica now more than then though as I'd recently seen them twice too.

12 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Commercially, yeah. For sure.

 

Still think the iconic visual of that year is Stormzy in his stab vest slinging bars and getting 100,000 people to shout f**k Boris.

 

 

 

If that's the iconic moment you remember from that set of something directed to Boris....pointing out that the government is could have avoided the tower tragedy from happening that says quite a lot. 

12 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Stormzy remains a cracker for me. Don't think the fact he's not quite swollen further in commercial prowess since takes away from it as a weak set.

 

Mumford and Sons being soporific, and then cratering from Gentlemen of the Road to arenas, on the other hand, makes it seem like a very zeitgeist-of-the-day booking to me still.

 

Come on, we can't ignore the fact of at the time what he stood for. He was a big promoting point of that disaster and the ignorance of those in charge to recognise the problems and deal with them. He spoke up and stood up for what is right and should matter and fairplay. But is also set the president essentially that many that shouldn't be booked for that slot could be. He was booked for Longitude the same year and Wireless the previous year which at that time was very much a capacity of only 45k and it was his only show as a London based boy so as most home town shows do well. Those acts other acts wouldn't have headlined or have since been chosen. We've seen people like Dizzee Rascal absolutely pack out that field for before Gorillaz for example. Collaboration with Ed Sheeran did help too. But he's certainly back in the noise now from his Collaboration with C&S. I said as soon as that hit that would be huge for him but in my opinion more for the musical reasons.

12 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

There are definitely bookings that, in retrospect, look weak for a variety of reasons - Stereophonics, Mumford, Kasabian, Arcade Fire, Skunk Anansie, Shakespeare's Sister, SZA, etc

 

Stormzy isn't in the same conversation 

 

Can we just be realistic here? Stereophonics are now doing bigger venues how many years later for example after?, much longer into their career than Stormzy will be. I thought AF at the time was pushing it a bit to headline. Mumford & Sons got their moment and to be fair it was just Glastonbury that took it, they were huge and at the time I really liked them. Kasbian had their 'time' which I thought was an ace output.

 

I will point out above all else in this, I didn't think he did anything musically to have got higher than a sub slot. To have returned after his proper tour would have looked much stronger for me.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

2 hours ago, northernangel said:

 

They always had longevity. Tell me the same last time Stormzy was booked to headline his own outdoor set? Glastonbury crowds will make artists look bigger than what they are....you've got 200k people there. You look at avril lavigne's crowd for example, physically selling that many tickets to her own gigs wouldn't happen. His arena tour announcement didn't come until the devenber after his show for the 2020 year and it didn't just sell out instantly. 2015 was when there was a bit of a shift change for Glastonbury headliners starting. I think they took an option to start booking a bit differently off of a year whereby for Glastonbury people may call the 2014 set of headliners quite weak...I thought it was a too set myself but Kasabian and Metallica at Glastonbury anyway would not have been considered prime choices. I'm into Metallica now more than then though as I'd recently seen them twice too.

 

If that's the iconic moment you remember from that set of something directed to Boris....pointing out that the government is could have avoided the tower tragedy from happening that says quite a lot. 

 

Come on, we can't ignore the fact of at the time what he stood for. He was a big promoting point of that disaster and the ignorance of those in charge to recognise the problems and deal with them. He spoke up and stood up for what is right and should matter and fairplay. But is also set the president essentially that many that shouldn't be booked for that slot could be. He was booked for Longitude the same year and Wireless the previous year which at that time was very much a capacity of only 45k and it was his only show as a London based boy so as most home town shows do well. Those acts other acts wouldn't have headlined or have since been chosen. We've seen people like Dizzee Rascal absolutely pack out that field for before Gorillaz for example. Collaboration with Ed Sheeran did help too. But he's certainly back in the noise now from his Collaboration with C&S. I said as soon as that hit that would be huge for him but in my opinion more for the musical reasons.

 

Can we just be realistic here? Stereophonics are now doing bigger venues how many years later for example after?, much longer into their career than Stormzy will be. I thought AF at the time was pushing it a bit to headline. Mumford & Sons got their moment and to be fair it was just Glastonbury that took it, they were huge and at the time I really liked them. Kasbian had their 'time' which I thought was an ace output.

 

I will point out above all else in this, I didn't think he did anything musically to have got higher than a sub slot. To have returned after his proper tour would have looked much stronger for me.

Just say you don't like Stormzy and get it over with.

 

Your personal opinion is just that, and no matter how much you talk yourself in circles, you won't change the fact that his headline set is one of the most acclaimed, important and forward-thinking ever and will rightly go down in history for that. We can talk until the cows come home about capacity of venues he has booked before and since and blah blah yawn yawn. That doesn't change anything. He was pushed into headliner status by the festival and by all accounts took the opportunity and absolutely smashed it.

But sure, Stereophonics are playing bigger venues now...

[northernangel]

1 minute ago, Nobby's Old Boots said:

Just say you don't like Stormzy and get it over with.

 

Your personal opinion is just that, and no matter how much you talk yourself in circles, you won't change the fact that his headline set is one of the most acclaimed, important and forward-thinking ever and will rightly go down in history for that. We can talk until the cows come home about capacity of venues he has booked before and since and blah blah yawn yawn. That doesn't change anything. He was pushed into headliner status by the festival and by all accounts took the opportunity and absolutely smashed it.

But sure, Stereophonics are playing bigger venues now...

 

No because to just say I don't like him would be your take on words that ere not said, not my words.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

2 minutes ago, northernangel said:

 

No because to just say I don't like him would be your take on words that ere not said, not my words.

You are nowhere near as subtle as you think you are.

[NorthernSoul52]

Stormzy definitely was booked with an eye to it being the start of likely greater success. Maybe it would have been without the pandemic. It doesn't matter, because ultimately, it still doesn't detract from a set that was critically acclaimed and won over plenty of doubters. 

[stuie]

Headlining Glastonbury to critical acclaim was his career peak? What a loser. 

[DomDom1984]

Stormzy sold out his APE day, no? That's not exactly a small number of tickets.

[northernangel]

4 minutes ago, DomDom1984 said:

Stormzy sold out his APE day, no? That's not exactly a small number of tickets.

That's not exactly Pyramid headliner though is it?, they have a range of between WH headliner level and Pyramid sub. 

 

10 minutes ago, stuie said:

Headlining Glastonbury to critical acclaim was his career peak? What a loser. 

 

And now he's closing APE instead? Didn't say he was a loser, I'm saying it brought down the levels of what the festival were prepared to book to top it. Tell me another headliner that got that opportunity off of their own tour dates before or since.

[Ben7amin_]

15 minutes ago, northernangel said:

Tell me another headliner that got that opportunity off of their own tour dates before or since.

 

Oasis in 1994?

Edited November 1 by Ben7amin_

[kalifire]

But there’s a difference between ‘bringing down the levels of what the festival are prepared to book’ and ‘capturing the opportunity to showcase a rising star in their ascendency’.

 

That Stormzy has never since achieved the level of success that peaked with his Glasto set is neither here nor there. The festival made a ballsy booking and Stormzy stepped up and smashed it. It was a win-win. 

[belfast]

Praying its neither Fred or Stormzy.

[northernangel]

9 minutes ago, Ben7amin_ said:

 

Oasis in 1994?

 

Haha, I was 8 lol. The MEN arena and certainly the 02 weren't even built and open lol. I'm glad we kept it within a reasonable few years space though lol

[Ben7amin_]

21 minutes ago, kalifire said:

But there’s a difference between ‘bringing down the levels of what the festival are prepared to book’ and ‘capturing the opportunity to showcase a rising star in their ascendency’.

 

That Stormzy has never since achieved the level of success that peaked with his Glasto set is neither here nor there. The festival made a ballsy booking and Stormzy stepped up and smashed it. It was a win-win. 

 

I get shouted down for this when ive said it before -  IMO the only criteria for being a Pyramid Headliner should be can they smash a Pyramid headline slot -  Not what have they done before , streaming figures, etc etc.    If its gonna get enough people there and its gonna be a great show that is all that should be required.     

 

 

[northernangel]

23 minutes ago, Ben7amin_ said:

 

I get shouted down for this when ive said it before -  IMO the only criteria for being a Pyramid Headliner should be can they smash a Pyramid headline slot -  Not what have they done before , streaming figures, etc etc.    If its gonna get enough people there and its gonna be a great show that is all that should be required.     

 

 

 

I do get that point if view to be honest.

 

However the small grip for that would be you will have acts playing 3rd or 4th down put on a stella show with a huge enough crowd.....we could talk about any of those really in those slots. The difference is if they are booked last instead you've got more time to set a stage up for things that don't need to be quickly changed for a next act.

[Ben7amin_]

7 minutes ago, northernangel said:

 

I do get that point if view to be honest.

 

However the small grip for that would be you will have acts playing 3rd or 4th down put on a stella show with a huge enough crowd.....we could talk about any of those really in those slots. The difference is if they are booked last instead you've got more time to set a stage up for things that don't need to be quickly changed for a next act.

 

To be fair I think the Glastonbury guys are masters of stage changeovers at this point - did you see how much stuff Camilla Cabello had for a early evening  Other stage slot 

Edited November 1 by Ben7amin_

[Nobby's Old Boots]

Can someone post that goalposts moving GIF? I don't know how.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

That's not exactly Pyramid headliner though is it?, they have a range of between WH headliner level and Pyramid sub. 

 

 

And now he's closing APE instead? Didn't say he was a loser, I'm saying it brought down the levels of what the festival were prepared to book to top it. Tell me another headliner that got that opportunity off of their own tour dates before or since.

You LITERALLY asked for an example of him headlining an outdoor show. 

[JonSnow]

Out of the 48 Pyramid headliner bookings across the past 20 years id put the Stormzy booking as comfortably in the top half

[DomDom1984]

Some serious Principal Skinner vibes 

[MEGABOWL]

2 hours ago, northernangel said:

That's not exactly Pyramid headliner though is it?, they have a range of between WH headliner level and Pyramid sub. 

 

 

And now he's closing APE instead? Didn't say he was a loser, I'm saying it brought down the levels of what the festival were prepared to book to top it. Tell me another headliner that got that opportunity off of their own tour dates before or since.

How has it ‘brought down the levels of what the festival were prepared to book to top it?’

[MEGABOWL]

1 hour ago, Ben7amin_ said:

 

To be fair I think the Glastonbury guys are masters of stage changeovers at this point - did you see how much stuff Camilla Cabello had for a early evening  Other stage slot 

They also leave longer gaps than they used to. Dont think that’s an issue for the festival at all these days

[Nobby's Old Boots]

1 hour ago, MEGABOWL said:

How has it ‘brought down the levels of what the festival were prepared to book to top it?’

That poster is completely incapable of looking past their own opinion.