2025 R&L Festival

[Andre91]

Tyler, the Creator has added extra dates to his tour and is now playing: 

 

The O2 x3 

Co-Op Live x2 

Birmingham x1 

Glasgow x1 

 

In total, that’s 130,000+ tickets. I reckon he’s a good bet to headline 2026. He’d unquestionably be one of the big three headliners. 

[RedJosh]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

It's a far cry from Blink, Fred and Liam

I don't think it is far away as you think with the main headliners or what they have tried to book as a balance at the top since 2017.

 

I feel like Foo's fall into the same category as the likes of AM, The Killers, The 1975, Sam Fender, Kings of Leon or Liam Gallagher as rock/indie headliners for the dark fruits crowd.

 

Bring Me fall into a hard rock/pop-punk headliner with the likes of Muse, Blink, Fall Out Boy, Biffy, Green Day, Rage Against the Machine, Queens of the Stone Age or Metallica.

 

Then the third headliner goes to a massive popular artist that is going to appeal to younger people along with a big old chunk of the undercard as that is where the majority of their weekend ticket sales are going. I think a lot of the acts in the first grouping will also appeal to the target audience, while they are banking on the middle group bringing in day ticket sales who will buy food, merch and beer.

[foolee]

I think we’re looking at 6 from Stormzy, Bring Me The Horizon, Foo Fighters, Charli XCX, Chase & Status, Chappell Roan & Kasabian. Obviously outside bets of Hozier & Central Cee given the info but honestly can’t see either of those if all of the above are about next year. 

[northernangel]

9 hours ago, RedJosh said:

I don't think it is far away as you think with the main headliners or what they have tried to book as a balance at the top since 2017.

 

I feel like Foo's fall into the same category as the likes of AM, The Killers, The 1975, Sam Fender, Kings of Leon or Liam Gallagher as rock/indie headliners for the dark fruits crowd.

 

Bring Me fall into a hard rock/pop-punk headliner with the likes of Muse, Blink, Fall Out Boy, Biffy, Green Day, Rage Against the Machine, Queens of the Stone Age or Metallica.

 

Then the third headliner goes to a massive popular artist that is going to appeal to younger people along with a big old chunk of the undercard as that is where the majority of their weekend ticket sales are going. I think a lot of the acts in the first grouping will also appeal to the target audience, while they are banking on the middle group bringing in day ticket sales who will buy food, merch and beer.

 

I'll be honest, I stopped bothering you referenced the now boring quote of dark fruits crowd like they all do something wrong other than just enjoy a drink and watch a band. We're not calling out the people chucking beers up in the air because it tastes like piss though are we? Just get a better debate and argument. 

 

Metallica and Rage maybe are the only one's that have any relevance to what BMTH do. I would never associate them with any of the others as they touch knowehere near death core, metal core ore alternative metal.

[Andre91]

Nobody is chucking an £8 in the air tbf 😂

[RedJosh]

4 hours ago, northernangel said:

 

I'll be honest, I stopped bothering you referenced the now boring quote of dark fruits crowd like they all do something wrong other than just enjoy a drink and watch a band. We're not calling out the people chucking beers up in the air because it tastes like piss though are we? Just get a better debate and argument. 

 

Metallica and Rage maybe are the only one's that have any relevance to what BMTH do. I would never associate them with any of the others as they touch knowehere near death core, metal core ore alternative metal.

Wasn't having a go at all. I was referencing the booking strategy that R+L have employed for almost a decade and roughly broke down the headliners into 3 groups they are trying to draw in - young people (who has always been the main group), indie fans/dark fruits crowd (who have been represented for 35+ years) and people that rocked up at R+L between 2000-2015ish for nu-metal, pop-punk and metalcore.

 

You, I and people rooted in alternative/heavy music and culture might not think that the bands I listed in the 'rock' headliner group are similar, but to lots of normal people they do fall in the same category. Plus, when normies think of Bring Me they are thinking of songs like Throne, Drown, Happy Song, MANTRA, Obey - they aren't thinking of Crucify Me, Aligator Blood, Written In Blood, Chelsea Smile or Blessed with a Curse.

[northernangel]

4 minutes ago, RedJosh said:

Wasn't having a go at all. I was referencing the booking strategy that R+L have employed for almost a decade and roughly broke down the headliners into 3 groups they are trying to draw in - young people (who has always been the main group), indie fans/dark fruits crowd (who have been represented for 35+ years) and people that rocked up at R+L between 2000-2015ish for nu-metal, pop-punk and metalcore.

 

You, I and people rooted in alternative/heavy music and culture might not think that the bands I listed in the 'rock' headliner group are similar, but to lots of normal people they do fall in the same category. Plus, when normies think of Bring Me they are thinking of songs like Throne, Drown, Happy Song, MANTRA, Obey - they aren't thinking of Crucify Me, Aligator Blood, Written In Blood, Chelsea Smile or Blessed with a Curse.

It's just such a typical thing that's said on here, oh it'll please their crowd like they all jauy chuck cider.

 

Me and some friends don't like lager so we drink usually jd or fruit ciders and just watch and enjoy a band. We actually don't go to places where there it's likely to be more crap and messing about we can't be bothered with.

 

English lager louts is one of the biggest know things but ignored on here because it's not relative to a selection of bands people don't care for.

[Andre91]

12 minutes ago, northernangel said:

It's just such a typical thing that's said on here, oh it'll please their crowd like they all jauy chuck cider.

 

Me and some friends don't like lager so we drink usually jd or fruit ciders and just watch and enjoy a band. We actually don't go to places where there it's likely to be more crap and messing about we can't be bothered with.

 

English lager louts is one of the biggest know things but ignored on here because it's not relative to a selection of bands people don't care for.

It’s not that deep. Dark Fruits is a ‘banter’ term used to refer to indie fans who probably like football too. Nobody is attacking you for not wanting to drink lager. 

[RedJosh]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

It's just such a typical thing that's said on here, oh it'll please their crowd like they all jauy chuck cider.

 

Me and some friends don't like lager so we drink usually jd or fruit ciders and just watch and enjoy a band. We actually don't go to places where there it's likely to be more crap and messing about we can't be bothered with.

 

English lager louts is one of the biggest know things but ignored on here because it's not relative to a selection of bands people don't care for.

Like Andre said it ain't that deep. Using it as an umbarella term for a wide group of people who generally like the bigger indie bands and will turn up for them.

[Andre91]

I’ve got a few mates I would describe as Dark Fruits. It doesn’t mean I like them any less; it just means they like a lot of crap music, which is fine. They can’t all be like me. 

[gfa]

21 hours ago, Andre91 said:

Bring Me The Horizon x Chase & Status 

 

Central Cee x Chappell Roan 

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

Just a guess. Could see Cench and C&S swapping. 

There is no way Central Cee is the main headliner.

 

Literally nothing warrant this - he's dropping off, has no dates that warrant this slot etc

[tomarchbold]

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

 

Chase & Status  x Kasabian

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

im choosing to believe cench isnt there as wishful thinking

[Andre91]

BMTH x Chappell Roan 😍

[Muppetmark]

1 hour ago, tomarchbold said:

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

 

Chase & Status  x Kasabian

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

im choosing to believe cench isnt there as wishful thinking

Bmth x Chappell is too perfect