2025 R&L Festival

[jonnyisRFC]

2 minutes ago, nathanh said:

Its a June festival, most likely for Download probably. Even if not I would imagine they are on the early European circuit not late summer

According to the download forums, green day, sleep token and Korn are the download headliners. 

[Benj]

ignore. Was just repeating what had already been said

Edited Tuesday at 08:32 PM by Benj

[Bandit Tom]

4 minutes ago, jonnyisRFC said:

According to the download forums, green day, sleep token and Korn are the download headliners. 

Given that I'd say Muse are contender for R&L unless they're doing Glasto.

[jonnyisRFC]

[nathanh]

27 minutes ago, jonnyisRFC said:

Is it just me, as someone who doesnt know much about Rock/Metal or does this look like a weak lineup for Download standards?

[charlierc]

56 minutes ago, nathanh said:

Is it just me, as someone who doesnt know much about Rock/Metal or does this look like a weak lineup for Download standards?

The one just gone looked weaker to me tbh.

[Chad888]

1 hour ago, jonnyisRFC said:

That just looks like an amazing DAY at R&L from a bygone era.

 

Green Day > Korn > Jimmy Eat World > Weezer > Bullet for my Valentine > Spiritbox > Eagles of Death Metal > Mallory Knox

 

Lockup HL > Alien Ant Farm

R1 Headline > Mcfly

[The All Round Ball :|]

First time jumping in the forum. Been in the download one. Any rumours or 100%s for names at R and L? I thought foos would be about but after dave shagged about I can't see it happening.

[nathanh]

4 minutes ago, The All Round Ball :| said:

First time jumping in the forum. Been in the download one. Any rumours or 100%s for names at R and L? I thought foos would be about but after dave shagged about I can't see it happening.

Nobody is looking for certain yet. Foos was looking certain at some point but is looking less locked in now. But with MCR & Linkin Park out, legacy rock names look less certain.

 

Post Malone, BMTH, Chappell Roan, Hozier, Central Cee and Kasabian are the most up to date rumours but its all very much up in the air

[Chad888]

10 hours ago, nathanh said:

Nobody is looking for certain yet. Foos was looking certain at some point but is looking less locked in now. But with MCR & Linkin Park out, legacy rock names look less certain.

 

Who actually are "legacy" acts now, given so many seem to have semi-retired, or aged our of the R&L demographic.

 

Is it time we moved on to new artists as the "legacy" headliners?

 

The pool to me is those 90's-00's names, but the teenagers that enjoyed those festivals are long past attending. A 20 year old in 2005 is watching their 20 year old head off to the festival this year, and would rather spend his summer lounging in Cape Verde, than a 3 day stint in a muddy field surrounded by screaming teens and burning tents.

 

 

Blink-182, Foo Fighters, Red Hot Chilis, Rage Against the Machine, Metallica, Muse, Eminem, Linkin Park, the Killers, Green Day

 

The nostalgia-wave is targeting people that make up a minute percentage of R&L demographic.

 

I'd suggest the new gen of legacy should be the depressing lineup of acts like Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, Biffy Clyro, Queens of the Stone age, Kings of Leon etc.

[Chad888]

Listening to Tyler the Creators new album (2 weeks ago), Chromokopia 

 

I'm getting huge Kanye-style experimental vibes.

 

I'd expect him to be touring, could we expect him to jump into the Fred Again.., Dave, Stormzy, Kendrick headline spot of the past few years?

 

Post Malone | Tyler the Creator | Foo Fighters

 

Central Cee | Kasabian | Chappel Roan

 

 

Undercard based on album releases/promotionals - Franz Ferdinand, FKA Twigs, Inhaler, Sports Team, The Lathums, The Horrors, The Darkness, The Amazon's, Clipse, Saweetie, Lil Durk.

 

Worth noting The Weeknd and Sam Fender new albums due this year.

Edited 20 hours ago by Chad888

[tomarchbold]

42 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

Listening to Tyler the Creators new album (2 weeks ago), Chromokopia 

 

I'm getting huge Kanye-style experimental vibes.

 

I'd expect him to be touring, could we expect him to jump into the Fred Again.., Dave, Stormzy, Kendrick headline spot of the past few years?

 

Post Malone | Tyler the Creator | Foo Fighters

 

Central Cee | Kasabian | Chappel Roan

 

 

Undercard based on album releases/promotionals - Franz Ferdinand, FKA Twigs, Inhaler, Sports Team, The Lathums, The Horrors, The Darkness, The Amazon's, Clipse, Saweetie, Lil Durk.

 

Worth noting The Weeknd and Sam Fender new albums due this year.

hes already got shows in europe in may i believe

 

[Andre91]

11 minutes ago, tomarchbold said:

hes already got shows in europe in may i believe

 

He’s also ruled out by US tour dates, I believe. 

[Chad888]

1 hour ago, Andre91 said:

He’s also ruled out by US tour dates, I believe. 

Yep he's perfoming in Victoria, AUS on the weekend of the festival.

[DannyEFC]

I’ve seen talk of Eminem and Linken Park today…

[Andre91]

14 minutes ago, DannyEFC said:

I’ve seen talk of Eminem and Linken Park today…

Won’t be Linkin Park as they’re doing Wembley Stadium next summer. 
 

Post Malone x Kasabian

 

Eminem x Central Cee 

 

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

[RedJosh]

16 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Post Malone x Kasabian

 

Eminem x Central Cee 

 

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

I can see this with Post Malone being a replacement for Foos.

 

Would be well happy with this as I can just get a day ticket for the Bring Me x Chappell Roan day and have a lovely time.

[charlierc]

4 hours ago, tomarchbold said:

hes already got shows in europe in may i believe

 

He does, yup, and as noted above, is in Australia in August.

 

I think he might have been a 2025 shout but clearly he's spoken for.

[charlierc]

9 hours ago, Chad888 said:

 

Who actually are "legacy" acts now, given so many seem to have semi-retired, or aged our of the R&L demographic.

 

Is it time we moved on to new artists as the "legacy" headliners?

 

The pool to me is those 90's-00's names, but the teenagers that enjoyed those festivals are long past attending. A 20 year old in 2005 is watching their 20 year old head off to the festival this year, and would rather spend his summer lounging in Cape Verde, than a 3 day stint in a muddy field surrounded by screaming teens and burning tents.

 

Blink-182, Foo Fighters, Red Hot Chilis, Rage Against the Machine, Metallica, Muse, Eminem, Linkin Park, the Killers, Green Day

 

The nostalgia-wave is targeting people that make up a minute percentage of R&L demographic.

 

I'd suggest the new gen of legacy should be the depressing lineup of acts like Arctic Monkeys, Kasabian, Biffy Clyro, Queens of the Stone age, Kings of Leon etc.

By default, we'll have to move on from these kind of acts eventually, and I say that as someone who has seen most of these acts named above. Although I think it shows either that the 2000s produced a pretty good swathe of acts if you can still fill festival bills through the summer with acts that broke through in the 2000s or it's an indictment on the 2010s for not being as good at producing a similarly sized pool of festival headliners.

[Chad888]

13 minutes ago, charlierc said:

By default, we'll have to move on from these kind of acts eventually, and I say that as someone who has seen most of these acts named above. Although I think it shows either that the 2000s produced a pretty good swathe of acts if you can still fill festival bills through the summer with acts that broke through in the 2000s or it's an indictment on the 2010s for not being as good at producing a similarly sized pool of festival headliners.

 

I think it's the latter, like when you consider all the legacy bands of old, there was a steady stream of bands ageing out and newer bands taking up their legacy spot.

 

In the 90s, the legacy bands were Status Quo, Iron Maiden, Guns n Roses etc whilst Red Hot Chilis, Smashing Pumpkins, Cypress Hill, Metallica were the new wave of music.

 

Then those became the legacy bands whilst acts like Blink, Green Day etc came through. Now those are the legacy bands, whilst Fallout Boy, Kings of Leon, Arctic Monkeys, Paramore, QOTSA, Biffy were brought through.

 

Unfortunately the way we listened to music changed with the iPod, and having a favourite band you could jam to their CD/tape became having 5000 songs on shuffle and having access to 100 bands that sound the same. Those new legacy bands shot blanks and dropped off.

[Dukey]

Could we maybe see Bad Omens next year? Not announced for Download (yet) and after booking Spiritbox…

[charlierc]

21 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

 

I think it's the latter, like when you consider all the legacy bands of old, there was a steady stream of bands ageing out and newer bands taking up their legacy spot.

 

In the 90s, the legacy bands were Status Quo, Iron Maiden, Guns n Roses etc whilst Red Hot Chilis, Smashing Pumpkins, Cypress Hill, Metallica were the new wave of music.

 

Then those became the legacy bands whilst acts like Blink, Green Day etc came through. Now those are the legacy bands, whilst Fallout Boy, Kings of Leon, Arctic Monkeys, Paramore, QOTSA, Biffy were brought through.

 

Unfortunately the way we listened to music changed with the iPod, and having a favourite band you could jam to their CD/tape became having 5000 songs on shuffle and having access to 100 bands that sound the same. Those new legacy bands shot blanks and dropped off.

I wonder if the fact rock as a whole had a bad 2010s where it just seemed to slip back in the public consciousness didn't help. In 2009, there still seemed to be quite a healthy rock mainstream but the backlash to landfill indie just seemed to count against it.

 

Certainly I can't think of many rock bands who broke through in the 2010s at festival headline level. 1975 are the obvious ones, maybe also Bastille, but the numbers are nothing compared to the avalanche in the late 90s/2000s.

[Andre91]

15 minutes ago, Dukey said:

Could we maybe see Bad Omens next year? Not announced for Download (yet) and after booking Spiritbox…

I guess but I can see them being main support to Linkin Park at Wembley Stadium. If they were to play R&L, I think they’d be one slot higher than Spiritbox and they would sub the co-headliners (third down, basically). 
 

I said this earlier on the DL Forums but, unless they come back next year, I don’t think we are seeing Bad Omens at Download again until they headline. I think their next tour is going to do Sleep Token numbers and they will headline by 2027. It’s happening for them the same way it has for Sleepy T. 

[charlierc]

2 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

I guess but I can see them being main support to Linkin Park at Wembley Stadium. If they were to play R&L, I think they’d be one slot higher than Spiritbox and they would sub the co-headliners (third down, basically). 

No reason why they can't do both.

 

In any case, 12pm tomorrow was the time given for the Linkin Park announcement. Guess we'll discover more then.

[Andre91]

23 minutes ago, charlierc said:

No reason why they can't do both.

 

In any case, 12pm tomorrow was the time given for the Linkin Park announcement. Guess we'll discover more then.

There’s around 90,000 reasons why they can’t do both.