2025 R&L Festival

[nathanh]

Has talks of Eminem at Glasto stopped now then? I havent been on the glasto boards in a while I just remember he was in doubt due to a potential headline slot

[gfa]

1 hour ago, Chad888 said:

Question for those in the know of the state of modern rock music:

 

 

Are there acts coming through that will shoot to be headliners, that will be the legacy headliners?

 

I don't mean acts like BMTH and Catfish, Kasabian, Biffy Clyro, Queens of the Stone Age, Fallout Boy, Kings of Leon, 21 Pilots who kind of just floated to the top with no opposition after 10-15 years active, but will never be the name that sells tickets.

 

Nor acts like Nothing But Thieves, Idles, Don Broco, Fontaines DC who will always drift around in the late afternoon spots. 

 

Nor acts like Royal Blood, Yungblud, Wet Leg, Wolf Alice etc who are at their peak of zeitgeist, who will never be more in the public discussion, so will never go higher than what they get now.

 

I'm talking about your next act that will have us clamouring for tickets still in 20 years:

 

Linkin Park - Headed 2003, 2 years after breaking through.

Green Day - Headed 2004, the same year they broke through.

Foo Fighters - Headed 2002, 5 years after breaking through

Arctic Monkeys - 2009, 3 years after breaking through

Muse - 2006, 5 years after breaking through.

Oasis - 2000, 6 years after breaking through.

 

 

 

Crazy to put Fontaines who are on a massive rise right now in with NBT and Don Broco lol - they just sold out Finsbury. I doubt people will be clamouring for their tickets in 20 years but they definitely shouldn't be alongside those 3 acts quite yet!

 

I'd question Green Day breaking through in 2004 as well lol - Dookie came out in 1994, 10 years before that headline slot!

 

KOL arguably should be in that lower category (while they won't exactly have people clamouring), they got to headline in 2009 with their two big hits coming out in like 2006 or 07?

 

We'll have to see if Sam Fender sticks about, he's an obvious shout.

 

The 1975 got there in 6 years (could have been sooner too really!), no sign of them slowing down at present either.

[Andre91]

Fontaines DC will headline the next time they play. 

[gfa]

50 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Fontaines DC will headline the next time they play. 

They would have been booked to next year had they not of played in 2024. Without a doubt

[andyrhodes24]

Can someone explain why Fontaines have gotten so popular? Dogrel was decent but they don’t play the most engaging stuff, I genuinely don’t know why people are so drawn to them.

Edited 8 hours ago by andyrhodes24

[Chad888]

1 hour ago, Andre91 said:

Fontaines DC will headline the next time they play. 

 

This is the sign that we are in an echo chamber and group polarisation is taking hold.

 

Bring Me The Horizon are just breaking through to HL status:

 

- 14 million Spotify listeners

- 7 studio albums with 600,000 UK sales (3x Silver, 2x Gold, 1x Platinum)

- 26x TOP 100 singles (8x TOP 40)

- 15x Silver, 1x Gold, 2x Platinum

 

Fontaines DC:

 

- 3 million Spotify listeners

- 4 studio albums with 280,000 UK sales (4x Silver)

- 4x TOP 100 singles, 0x TOP 40.

- No certifications at all, for any song.

 

Fontaines DC are not headlining Reading and Leeds unless they release some magical groundbreaking album which does absolutely bits.

[craigcharles420]

1 hour ago, Andre91 said:

Fontaines DC will headline the next time they play. 

It would surprise me if they solo headline, maybe co or sub

[Chad888]

15 minutes ago, andyrhodes24 said:

Can someone explain why Fontaines have gotten so popular? Dogrel was decent but they don’t play the most engaging stuff, I genuinely don’t know why people are so drawn to them.

 

In the build up to the 2023 lineup release, Don Brocos name got bandied around so much that we convinced ourselves they were easily subbing size.

We were throwing out stats on album chart positions, arena tours, big name shows, how long they sell out tickets.

 

Then the lineup came out, they were 8th total on Sundays Main Stage.

 

We did it with BMTH for the 5 years before they headlined. Were going to do the same with Fontaines until they get booked 3rd down in 2027 and we get a little wakeup call.

[gfa]

18 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

 

This is the sign that we are in an echo chamber and group polarisation is taking hold.

 

Bring Me The Horizon are just breaking through to HL status:

 

- 14 million Spotify listeners

- 7 studio albums with 600,000 UK sales (3x Silver, 2x Gold, 1x Platinum)

- 26x TOP 100 singles (8x TOP 40)

- 15x Silver, 1x Gold, 2x Platinum

 

Fontaines DC:

 

- 3 million Spotify listeners

- 4 studio albums with 280,000 UK sales (4x Silver)

- 4x TOP 100 singles, 0x TOP 40.

- No certifications at all, for any song.

 

Fontaines DC are not headlining Reading and Leeds unless they release some magical groundbreaking album which does absolutely bits.

2nd headline i think andre meant, its definitely what I did if they did this year / next year.

 

9 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

 

In the build up to the 2023 lineup release, Don Brocos name got bandied around so much that we convinced ourselves they were easily subbing size.

We were throwing out stats on album chart positions, arena tours, big name shows, how long they sell out tickets.

 

Then the lineup came out, they were 8th total on Sundays Main Stage.

 

We did it with BMTH for the 5 years before they headlined. Were going to do the same with Fontaines until they get booked 3rd down in 2027 and we get a little wakeup call.

Don Broco never did anything the size of this Finsbury show (straight after 2 sold out ally pallys too).

 

Fontaines are clearly the real deal ticket sales wise. None of the third downs this year are doing shows the size that Fontaines are selling so well.

Edited 8 hours ago by gfa

[Chad888]

2 minutes ago, gfa said:

2nd headline i think andre meant, its definitely what I did if they did this year / next year.

 

Don Broco never did anything the size of this Finsbury show (straight after 2 sold out ally pallys too).

 

Fontaines are clearly the real deal ticket sales wise.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying they're the same size, Fontaines are clearly bigger, I was more showing we as a specific demographic of live music and festival fans always escalate bands far higher than they are, often based on our own rose tinted experiences with them.

 

We're all questioning and grumbling at Central Cee. Central Cee is absolutely equivalent size to Dave commercially, and if Dave headlined MSE, Central Cee is insane booking for 2nd down.

 

- 0 Albums

- 37x TOP 100 singles

- 16x of those TOP 20 

- 7x of them TOP 10

- 1x Number 1 single

- 9x Platinum, 2x Gold, 7x Silver 

- 26 million Spotify listeners

- 3 billion streams for top 3 Spotify songs

 

Compare him to Dave:

 

- 2 Albums (both 1x Platinum)

- 40x TOP 100 singles

- 20x of those TOP 20

- 12x of those TOP 10

- 3x Number 1 singles

- 23x Platinum, 9x Gold, 20x Silver

- 14 million Spotify listeners

- 1.6 billion streams for TOP 3 Spotify songs

[Narnia]

I was wondering where Fontaines are headed. Lots of youngsters going crazy for them on the current tour (but still lots of older folk so very cross-generational appeal). We spoke to a couple if teenagers who think they're the coolest act around and will be getting bigger. They might blow up very quickly, they might not. The kids will decide, I guess. 

[tomarchbold]

Friday:

Main Stage - Eminem // Chase & Status // Little Simz // The Vaccines // David Kushner // Soft Play

Chevron - Hedex // Nines // Joel Corry

Radio 1 - Inhaler // Pale Waves 

Festival Republic - Soft Play

 

Saturday:

Main Stage - Muse // Chappell Roan // Hozier // Blossoms // Knocked Loose // Cassyette 

Chevron - FISHER // Sammy Virji // Unknown T 

Radio 1 - Pink Pantheress // Sea Girls 

Festival Republic - Amyl & The Sniffers 

 

Sunday:

Main Stage - Post Malone // Central Cee // Don Toliver // Benson Boone // Bakar // Royal Otis

Chevron - Shy FX // Ben Hemsley // Kenya Grace

Radio 1 - Gigi Perez // Wunderhorse

Festival Republic - Frank Carter & The Sex Pistols

Edited 7 hours ago by tomarchbold

[Andre91]

Don’t bother reading Chadderz’ Spotify listeners and chart positions chat. Just know that Fontaines DC have shifted a headliner number of tickets for the current tour and their outdoor shows next year. That is all a promoter sees and what they’re seeing is big bucks in Fontaines DC. 
 

Their next album, they headline the Main Stage. Not as one of the 6, but as one of the 3 big draws. Mark my words. 

[tomarchbold]

7 minutes ago, tomarchbold said:

Friday:

Main Stage - Eminem // Chase & Status // Little Simz // The Vaccines // David Kushner // Soft Play

Chevron - Hedex // Nines // Joel Corry

Radio 1 - Inhaler // Pale Waves 

Festival Republic - Soft Play

 

Saturday:

Main Stage - Muse // Chappell Roan // Hozier // Blossoms // Knocked Loose // Cassyette 

Chevron - FISHER // Sammy Virji // Unknown T 

Radio 1 - Pink Pantheress // Sea Girls 

Festival Republic - Amyl & The Sniffers 

 

Sunday:

 

Main Stage - Post Malone // Central Cee // Don Toliver // Benson Boone // Bakar // Royal Otis

Chevron - Shy FX // Ben Hemsley // Kenya Grace

Radio 1 - Gigi Perez // Wunderhorse

Festival Republic - Frank Carter & The Sex Pistols

lineup built following what @Chad888said yesterday

[FeverDream]

Possibly a controversial take here and I may be completely off the mark, but if we are talking about strictly rock music, as Chad mentioned, then I really can’t see many bands that have formed in the last decade having the same longevity and ability to consistently headline major festivals as those that were formed over a decade ago. I don’t think pop music will struggle as much. I can see Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, take your pick, consistently headlining major festivals in 20 years. I just can’t think of any bands from the last decade that will do the same. Fontaines D.C. may well headline in 2 years, but will they in 20?

[Andre91]

2 minutes ago, FeverDream said:

Possibly a controversial take here and I may be completely off the mark, but if we are talking about strictly rock music, as Chad mentioned, then I really can’t see many bands that have formed in the last decade having the same longevity and ability to consistently headline major festivals as those that were formed over a decade ago. I don’t think pop music will struggle as much. I can see Billie Eilish, Olivia Rodrigo, Sabrina Carpenter, take your pick, consistently headlining major festivals in 20 years. I just can’t think of any bands from the last decade that will do the same. Fontaines D.C. may well headline in 2 years, but will they in 20?

Bring Me The Horizon

The 1975 

 

[OddRon]

42 minutes ago, Narnia said:

I was wondering where Fontaines are headed. Lots of youngsters going crazy for them on the current tour (but still lots of older folk so very cross-generational appeal). We spoke to a couple if teenagers who think they're the coolest act around and will be getting bigger. They might blow up very quickly, they might not. The kids will decide, I guess. 

As a teacher, they’re the one act that both myself and the boys I teach tend to enjoy. 

 

Not often that a new guitar band manages to crack into the secondary school demographic. Most of the time my students prefer rappers and pop.

Edited 7 hours ago by OddRon

[FeverDream]

Just now, Andre91 said:

Bring Me The Horizon

The 1975 

 

But they are both formed early 2000s in an age where rock music was still relatively mainstream. I appreciate their rise to prominence is pretty recent (and 75’s debut was what, 2013?) but it just feels different to the newer bands like Fontaines D.C.

 

But then the more I think, the more I’m starting to disagree with myself 🤣 Fender is about to do Glastonbury, has and is doing stadiums, Fontaines D.C. got Finsbury, so by all metrics you’d imagine they’d still be at the top in 20 years. Maybe I should just be quiet 🤐 

[Chad888]

3 hours ago, Andre91 said:

Bring Me The Horizon

The 1975 

 

 

Bring me the Horizon do not have staying power. They're getting spoken about now purely due to the fact no other acts are around. They're already drifting out of public focus and only really cared about by their core fanbase (which this site seems to lean heavily towards, obscuring our judgement).

 

And 1975 are rock now? I mentioned them in the same sentence as Arctic Monkeys and you specifically went off about how they're pop. They are pop.

[Chad888]

3 hours ago, FeverDream said:

But they are both formed early 2000s in an age where rock music was still relatively mainstream. I appreciate their rise to prominence is pretty recent (and 75’s debut was what, 2013?) but it just feels different to the newer bands like Fontaines D.C.

 

But then the more I think, the more I’m starting to disagree with myself 🤣 Fender is about to do Glastonbury, has and is doing stadiums, Fontaines D.C. got Finsbury, so by all metrics you’d imagine they’d still be at the top in 20 years. Maybe I should just be quiet 🤐 

2 years ago we were describing Sam Fender as the future of BBC Radio 2s Sunday drive list. 

 

Has he changed now?

 

We're in a consumer era of music, you need a hit that is catchy and can be used on viral videos to get traction. Songs like Boys in the Betterland don't have that appeal to the wider audience because they don't get the airtime in the channels that kids come across music.

 

Using Fontaines as an example, they remind me of Dropkick Murphies, back in 2005ish when The Departed came out, all the teens wanted to be Leo Di Caprio and they suddenly had a huge resurgence because it was cool and punky. Nothing happened with it though.

[andyrhodes24]

1 hour ago, Chad888 said:

 

Bring me the Horizon do not have staying power. They're getting spoken about now purely due to the fact no other acts are around. They're already drifting out of public focus and only really cared about by their core fanbase (which this site seems to lean heavily towards, obscuring our judgement).

 

And 1975 are rock now? I mentioned them in the same sentence as Arctic Monkeys and you specifically went off about how they're pop. They are pop.

BMTH absolutely do have staying power. Okay their monthly streams have dropped since the album hype has died down but they’ve been selling out arenas since 2016 and have two more Post Human albums to come out in the series. They’re here to stay.

[VCK2]

9 hours ago, Chad888 said:

Question for those in the know of the state of modern rock music:

 

 

Are there acts coming through that will shoot to be headliners, that will be the legacy headliners?

 

I don't mean acts like BMTH and Catfish, Kasabian, Biffy Clyro, Queens of the Stone Age, Fallout Boy, Kings of Leon, 21 Pilots who kind of just floated to the top with no opposition after 10-15 years active, but will never be the name that sells tickets.

 

Nor acts like Nothing But Thieves, Idles, Don Broco, Fontaines DC who will always drift around in the late afternoon spots. 

 

Nor acts like Royal Blood, Yungblud, Wet Leg, Wolf Alice etc who are at their peak of zeitgeist, who will never be more in the public discussion, so will never go higher than what they get now.

 

I'm talking about your next act that will have us clamouring for tickets still in 20 years:

 

Linkin Park - Headed 2003, 2 years after breaking through.

Green Day - Headed 2004, the same year they broke through.

Foo Fighters - Headed 2002, 5 years after breaking through

Arctic Monkeys - 2009, 3 years after breaking through

Muse - 2006, 5 years after breaking through.

Oasis - 2000, 6 years after breaking through.

 

 

 

Out of the current crop, I'd say Sam Fender is a definite option, though of course he now already has the headlining experience.

[Chad888]

On 11/24/2024 at 9:51 PM, Chad888 said:

Pretty 50/50. Works in the music journalism industry in between his actual job reporting on the boxing. Out in Doha and spoke to an act that is booked who he knows and is also out there to watch whatever is happening there.

 

He said he doesnt want to spoil it and reveal who is on the lineup because I cant keep a secret.

 

Cut my friend out the image, but to follow on from what I previously said

 

 By the way

Edited 1 hour ago by Chad888

[NorthernSoul52]

The 1975 in this weird spot where, for years, I have backed them as Glastonbury headliner material - feel they've probably been there since they topped R+L in 2019 for the first time.

 

But they also, strangely, feel one dud of a record away from missing out on that boat entirely, and therefore arguably sinking as a satisfactory repeat option the longer down the line we go.

 

I'm not saying it definitely does - because you can look at plenty and see it doesn't - but I think headlining Glastonbury can sometimes safeguard your status in the pop-culture sphere and help ensure you are a draw for festivals like these.

[Andre91]

2 hours ago, Chad888 said:

 

Bring me the Horizon do not have staying power.

Absolute bollocks.