2025 R&L Festival

[NorthernSoul52]

Anyway, Muse.

1 Knights of Cydonia

2 Plug In Baby

3 Dead Inside

4 Hysteria (w/ Interlude)

5 Won't Stand Down

6 Undisclosed Desires

7 Supremacy

8 Thought Contagion

9 Sunburn

10 Supermassive Black Hole

11 Stockholm Syndrome

12 Pressure

13 Resistance

14 You Make Me Feel Like It's Halloween

15 New Born

16 Madness

17 Time Is Running Out

18 Uprising

 

19 Mercy

20 Starlight

 

 

 

[charlierc]

5 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Anyway, Muse.

1 Knights of Cydonia

2 Plug In Baby

3 Dead Inside

4 Hysteria (w/ Interlude)

5 Won't Stand Down

6 Undisclosed Desires

7 Supremacy

8 Thought Contagion

9 Sunburn

10 Supermassive Black Hole

11 Stockholm Syndrome

12 Pressure

13 Resistance

14 You Make Me Feel Like It's Halloween

15 New Born

16 Madness

17 Time Is Running Out

18 Uprising

 

19 Mercy

20 Starlight

 

 

 

Knowing Muse like I do, it's missing 3/4 instrumental interludes.

[Andre91]

Bring Me The Horizon have quite literally never been bigger than they are now. They’ve sold out their biggest ever tour this year. Been selling out arenas for the best part of ten years, have stepped up to headlining major festivals both here and abroad. Two #1 albums in the last 5 years and a #2. The biggest British metal band since Iron Maiden and the most influential metal band of the last 20 years full stop. They will move into playing stadiums before long and will be selling out arenas and headlining major festivals until they retire. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Andre91

[Chad888]

4 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

Absolute bollocks. 

They became mainstream. They got into public discourse. They got radioplay. They got their albums and singles out to people. They attracted highly rated guests that got their music to new fans.

 

They blew it.

 

They've receded, lost ground, lost commercial success. They have their dedicated fans now. Dedicated fans buy tickets to dedicated shows. They dont spend the equivalent of 10 shows for a ticket to see acts like Central Cee, Post Malone, KSI etc.

[Chad888]

1 minute ago, Andre91 said:

Bring Me The Horizon have quite literally never been bigger than they are now. They’ve sold out their biggest ever tour this year. Been selling out arenas for the best part of ten years, have stepped up to headlining major festivals both here and abroad. Two #1 albums in the last 5 years and a #2. The biggest British metal band since Iron Maiden and the most influential metal band of the last 20 years full stop. They will move into playing stadiums before long and will be selling out arenas and headlining major festivals until they retire. 

You sound like the girl that came on hete stating Megan The Stallion was the biggest female artist ever, then proceeded to list B tracks and non album singles as evidence.

 

You sound like a fan.

[Andre91]

3 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

You sound like the girl that came on hete stating Megan The Stallion was the biggest female artist ever, then proceeded to list B tracks and non album singles as evidence.

 

You sound like a fan.

 

You sound clueless about most things most of the time but here we are. 
 

I’ve just given you evidence as to why the band have staying power. What part of ‘they are bigger now than they ever have been’ leads you to conclude that they’ve ’blown it’? 
 

Take the L on this one, Chadderz. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Andre91

[Chad888]

1 minute ago, Andre91 said:

 

You sound clueless about most things most of the time but here we are. 
 

I’ve just given you evidence as to why the band have staying power. What part of ‘they are bigger now than they ever have been’ leads you to conclude that they’ve ’blown it’? 
 

Take the L on this one, Chadderz. 

 

Selling a dedicated 2 or 3 hour show for £40-60 a ticket to fans that live a half hour drive from the venue is a HELL of a lot different to being advertised as the main marketing draw to sell a £350 weekend of multiple genres of music.

 

Heck, look at how often YOU keep saying you would only go to a BMTH day, and you typify their biggest fans. How are FR going to sell weekend tickets when one of their headliners has fans buying up all the tickets for just their day only?

 

And with each release, their music isn't reaching new audiences. They're becoming less relevant to the mainstream with each album since 21.

[FeverDream]

12 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

They became mainstream. They got into public discourse. They got radioplay. They got their albums and singles out to people. They attracted highly rated guests that got their music to new fans.

 

They blew it.

 

They've receded, lost ground, lost commercial success. They have their dedicated fans now. Dedicated fans buy tickets to dedicated shows. They dont spend the equivalent of 10 shows for a ticket to see acts like Central Cee, Post Malone, KSI etc.

Isn’t that the very definition of longevity and the reason why they will be headliners in 10 years? People aren’t going to be flocking to Central Cee and KSI in 10 years because they have one TikTok hit 🤣

[FeverDream]

2 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

 

Selling a dedicated 2 or 3 hour show for £40-60 a ticket to fans that live a half hour drive from the venue is a HELL of a lot different to being advertised as the main marketing draw to sell a £350 weekend of multiple genres of music.

 

Heck, look at how often YOU keep saying you would only go to a BMTH day, and you typify their biggest fans. How are FR going to sell weekend tickets when one of their headliners has fans buying up all the tickets for just their day only?

 

And with each release, their music isn't reaching new audiences. They're becoming less relevant to the mainstream with each album since 21.

They can sell weekend tickets by peppering in shite across the weekend that appeals to 16 year school leavers whilst leaving the headline slots to bands that actually produce a full show and spectacle people will pay a day ticket to genuinely see and enjoy?

[Andre91]

Just now, Chad888 said:

 

Selling a dedicated 2 or 3 hour show for £40-60 a ticket to fans that live a half hour drive from the venue is a HELL of a lot different to being advertised as the main marketing draw to sell a £350 weekend of multiple genres of music.

 

Heck, look at how often YOU keep saying you would only go to a BMTH day, and you typify their biggest fans. How are FR going to sell weekend tickets when one of their headliners has fans buying up all the tickets for just their day only?

 

And with each release, their music isn't reaching new audiences. They're becoming less relevant to the mainstream with each album since 21.

What is your actual point? A moment ago it was that they don’t have staying power; you’ve been given reasons why they do and now you’re moving onto something completely different. Was it a problem when Lana Del Rey only sold day tickets? No. BMTH are a mainstream metal band but they’re still a metal band. Of course their fans are more likely to buy a day ticket to their day rather than a weekend ticket to a festival that isn’t going to cater to them as much. 

 

They’ve released one album since 2021. 
 

 

[craigcharles420]

BMTH aren't my bag but they definitely could headline R&L and move to stadiums with their current popularity

[Andre91]

Band sells out their biggest ever arena tour by some way. 
 

‘Nah, they’ve blown it.’ 
 

 

[Chad888]

1 minute ago, FeverDream said:

Isn’t that the very definition of longevity and the reason why they will be headliners in 10 years? People aren’t going to be flocking to Central Cee and KSI in 10 years because they have one TikTok hit 🤣

Eminem has longevity. Ignoring Infinity EP. Album 1 got attention without being refined in 1999. Album 2 got mainstream hits in 2000.

Album 3 became 'his sound' in 2002. Album 4 cemented that he could put anything out and get airplay, in 2004.

 

Same with Arctic Monkeys WPSIAMTWIN, kept it going with Humbug, AM. Greenday with Nimrod, kept it going with American Idiot. 

 

An act that can break into the mainstream and then put out repeated albums that cement their place as a solid draw for commercial success. 

 

BMTH got that breakthrough and dipped, losing all the goodwill theyd won from the masses.

[Andre91]

Just now, Chad888 said:

Eminem has longevity. Ignoring Infinity EP. Album 1 got attention without being refined in 1999. Album 2 got mainstream hits in 2000.

Album 3 became 'his sound' in 2002. Album 4 cemented that he could put anything out and get airplay, in 2004.

 

Same with Arctic Monkeys WPSIAMTWIN, kept it going with Humbug, AM. Greenday with Nimrod, kept it going with American Idiot. 

 

An act that can break into the mainstream and then put out repeated albums that cement their place as a solid draw for commercial success. 

 

BMTH got that breakthrough and dipped, losing all the goodwill theyd won from the masses.

Which breakthrough? Sempiternal? Or That’s The Spirit? amo, maybe? How about Survival Horror? Which one is it? 
 

Again. THEY’VE JUST SOLD OUT THEIR BIGGEST EVER TOUR. Who does that by ‘losing the masses’? The masses are buying the tickets selling those shows out. 

[Andre91]

6 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

Eminem has longevity. Ignoring Infinity EP. Album 1 got attention without being refined in 1999. Album 2 got mainstream hits in 2000.

Album 3 became 'his sound' in 2002. Album 4 cemented that he could put anything out and get airplay, in 2004.

 

Same with Arctic Monkeys WPSIAMTWIN, kept it going with Humbug, AM. Greenday with Nimrod, kept it going with American Idiot. 

 

An act that can break into the mainstream and then put out repeated albums that cement their place as a solid draw for commercial success. 

 

BMTH got that breakthrough and dipped, losing all the goodwill theyd won from the masses.

Nimrod is the example you’re using for Green Day? Riiiiiight. 
 

Warning came out between Nimrod and American Idiot and nobody cared. American Idiot revitalised that band. 

Edited 11 hours ago by Andre91

[FeverDream]

Has to be rage baiting at this point

[Andre91]

Just now, FeverDream said:

Has to be rage baiting at this point

Yeah. And it’s bloody worked 😂

 

 Not engaging in it anymore. Anyone with half a brain can see that BMTH clearly have staying power. 

[OddRon]

Watch them not even be announced now, Melvin Benn has decided a tiny sub-section of festival goers can’t come to a consensus so he’s decided not to bother booking them.

[charlierc]

1 hour ago, OddRon said:

Watch them not even be announced now, Melvin Benn has decided a tiny sub-section of festival goers can’t come to a consensus so he’s decided not to bother booking them.

It's an unusual approach but it gives this platform great validity if we are such an influential presence.

[Chad888]

1 hour ago, OddRon said:

Watch them not even be announced now, Melvin Benn has decided a tiny sub-section of festival goers can’t come to a consensus so he’s decided not to bother booking them.

Festivals cancelled.

 

We didn't want Foos because Dave was naughty.

We didn't want Travis Scott because people died at Astroworld.

We didn't want Post Malone cause it's boring.

We didn't want Central Cee because he has no stage presence.

We didn't want Kasabian because they aren't headliner material.

We didn't want BMTH because they've lost traction.

We didn't want Sam Fender again already.

 

I actually think the concensus would be that we've said we'd like

 

Chappel Roan | Eminem | Muse

[OddRon]

4 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

Festivals cancelled.

 

We didn't want Foos because Dave was naughty.

We didn't want Travis Scott because people died at Astroworld.

We didn't want Post Malone cause it's boring.

We didn't want Central Cee because he has no stage presence.

We didn't want Kasabian because they aren't headliner material.

We didn't want BMTH because they've lost traction.

We didn't want Sam Fender again already.

 

I actually think the concensus would be that we've said we'd like

 

Chappel Roan | Eminem | Muse

In all honesty that is the best outcome for me. My most listened to artist this year and two acts from my youth that I never got round to seeing but was obsessed with in my teens.

[charlierc]

5 minutes ago, Chad888 said:

I actually think the concensus would be that we've said we'd like

 

Chappel Roan | Eminem | Muse

Which ironically was the trio on the fan Reddit poster that was here earlier this week.

[tomarchbold]

43 minutes ago, OddRon said:

We didn't want BMTH because they've lost traction.

*You don't want

 

proper gramma please, there are teachers in the forum xoxo

[Chad888]

43 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Which ironically was the trio on the fan Reddit poster that was here earlier this week.

I think Muse/Chappel Roan have a very Killers/Billie Eilish vibe 

 

Then Muse/Eminem was a combo just 7 years ago. 18 year olds then are still 25 and festival going age and will probably skip out because they're both acts from before they were born.

[NorthernSoul52]

Muse don't have a Mr. Brightside-esque crossover, I'd argue, though if we want a laugh, we could watch The Killers cover Starlight this morning.

 

 

Bless our lad Brandon - I think The Killers are a great live act, but much like Coldplay, their frontman's real power is in the way he can connect with a crowd rather than his vocal dexterity.