2025 R&L Festival

[Chad888]

Tyler the Creator has partnered with Co-op, who are partners of the festival. May be something in that?

[RedJosh]

19 hours ago, northernangel said:

I was able to chose top tier 02 seats for the offspring tour.

 

I'm looking at it purely for what it is, you've got bands that are not headlining major festivals doing arenas shows. An arena show isn't a pure definition of a bands top status. I've just got a ticket to sum 41 and if I went to see say Offspring, I'm not going because their latest outputs are their best, I'm going because they still play 75% of old classics from their best time. There is absolutely no denying with BMTH that Sempiternal took them further but TTS made them huge. Download also dropped the bollock by not having them earlier as verified by everyone on here and had they have done that debate wouldn't be there. Download is also potentially the only festival apart from maybe R&L though I don't think so now who will give them the absolute top spot so they had a chance to take their time while still booking the oldies.

Top one fair point, they have now opened up the sides of the O2 top tier (not the back and their are loads of tickets left), but still fair point. On release they didn't put them on sale, though.

 

Bands have been doing arena shows and not headlining festivals for ages now. The key is if you can sell the arena out and how quickly. Bring Me sold out two O2 dates on release, a week after they headlined Download along with 8 other arenas. The Offspring are doing 5 arenas with three of them not being fully opened up and standard tickets available for every date except Cardiff, which is only 7,500 capacity. Big festivals aren't booking The Offspring to headline based of ticket sales for this upcoming tour, but they 100% would Bring Me, who are obviously big enough to headline R+L.

 

Whether R+L would book them as an outright headliner is a different question. My feeling is that they would, as they have enough mainstream appeal with normies to do it and are one of the bands whose new releases still connect with young people getting into heavy/alternative music. It wouldn't negatively affect ticket sales with young people going, as they are going for right of passage (Blink didn't this year) and the line-up is catered to them anyway. I also believe that it would help sell day tickets to people like me that used to go for the weekend and haven't for a while but are now happy to go for a day (I've done this the last 2 years).

 

 

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[Andre91]

1 minute ago, Page116 said:

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Charli xcx isn’t even spelled correctly.

[northernangel]

2 hours ago, RedJosh said:

Top one fair point, they have now opened up the sides of the O2 top tier (not the back and their are loads of tickets left), but still fair point. On release they didn't put them on sale, though.

 

Bands have been doing arena shows and not headlining festivals for ages now. The key is if you can sell the arena out and how quickly. Bring Me sold out two O2 dates on release, a week after they headlined Download along with 8 other arenas. The Offspring are doing 5 arenas with three of them not being fully opened up and standard tickets available for every date except Cardiff, which is only 7,500 capacity. Big festivals aren't booking The Offspring to headline based of ticket sales for this upcoming tour, but they 100% would Bring Me, who are obviously big enough to headline R+L.

 

Whether R+L would book them as an outright headliner is a different question. My feeling is that they would, as they have enough mainstream appeal with normies to do it and are one of the bands whose new releases still connect with young people getting into heavy/alternative music. It wouldn't negatively affect ticket sales with young people going, as they are going for right of passage (Blink didn't this year) and the line-up is catered to them anyway. I also believe that it would help sell day tickets to people like me that used to go for the weekend and haven't for a while but are now happy to go for a day (I've done this the last 2 years).

 

 

 

The Offspring and sold out standing sat every venue they at the time I wrote that post except for Glasgow.

 

Also, I didn't say The Offspring could headline. I stated who'd have thought they would be doing their tours they are.

 

Also on BMTH, I've not stated they could headline Download or they aren't big enough to headline Reading top spot. I've agreed with some on the debate would Reading booking them for it. Bands can be big enough for slots but at the stage that makes sense all round. The longer time goes on though the longer you question it. Naturally being from here they can play towards ends of the summer.

[RedJosh]

5 minutes ago, northernangel said:

The Offspring and sold out standing sat every venue they at the time I wrote that post except for Glasgow.

Standing is still available for both Newcastle and Manchester on AXS.

[FeverDream]

I just can’t see a scenario where BMTH don’t headline R+L again. Plenty of the material that they consistently play leans into pop punk/emo/alt metal that the “they are too heavy / they don’t fit the vibe” doesn’t really check out for me. Their 2022 headline set went down really well with a pretty health crowd for 2nd headliners.

[RedJosh]

10 minutes ago, northernangel said:

Also, I didn't say The Offspring could headline. I stated who'd have thought they would be doing their tours they are.

Didn't say you did say The Offspring could headline. I was responding to your point that everyone does arenas and was making the point that there is a difference between doing an arena tour that means acts are going to be looked at as a headliner and there is doing arenas because you are somewhere in between academies and arenas. The jump from 2,000-3,000 academy shows to 10,000+ capacity arenas is a big jump.

[northernangel]

2 hours ago, RedJosh said:

Standing is still available for both Newcastle and Manchester on AXS.

 

To be honest I generally check seetickets. I really wants a midlands date but they did do Birmingham before Download.

2 hours ago, FeverDream said:

I just can’t see a scenario where BMTH don’t headline R+L again. Plenty of the material that they consistently play leans into pop punk/emo/alt metal that the “they are too heavy / they don’t fit the vibe” doesn’t really check out for me. Their 2022 headline set went down really well with a pretty health crowd for 2nd headliners.

 

Is reading really a place for emo and alternative metal at the top now?, or somewhere for dance, pop and a bit of indie rock. The scene in 3 years has changed so much.

 

We've seen Primerva for eg GP from booking Pulp, Blur, The National, LDR, Jack White and so on to Charli Xcx, Chappell Roan and Sabrina Carpenter.

[Benj]

14 hours ago, Andre91 said:

The last time was ten years ago. They’re undoubtedly a bigger band now. 

Eh? Who are you talking about? I’m talking about BMTH…

[gfa]

On 10/26/2024 at 7:30 PM, DomDom1984 said:

It's a fair question tbh, to which I'd say they should have closed last time.

 

I just don't think they want a band that heavy on top, unless they're one of the monster bands.

That makes them not big enough for an act of such genre i'd say

 

Which is fine - but just is what it is. I think the same for BMTH

[Andre91]

11 hours ago, Benj said:

Eh? Who are you talking about? I’m talking about BMTH…

I thought you meant Paramore! Apologies. 

[charlierc]

8 hours ago, Andre91 said:

I thought you meant Paramore! Apologies. 

That would make sense given they co-headlined in 2014 with QOTSA.

 

Certainly, the arena tour sales, likely uplift from opening for Taylor and a UK number one album for This is Why helps. I think they'd be able to headline without needing a co-head.

[NorthernSoul52]

How the hell did The Offspring end up in the conversation here.

 

I like them, but not sure they'd be an R+L pick in this day and age. Surely more destined for Download.

[OddRon]

Would love if we got Paramore, I’m very much not Reading’s demographic anymore but I would certainly scoop a ticket if some of the aforementioned names like Paramore, Chappell, Charli XCX and Kasabian showed up.

[NorthernSoul52]

Paramore likely have that crossover appeal though. A lot more pop since 2014 - and that support slot for Swift will have done wonders for introducing them to the younger crowd.

[Benj]

13 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Paramore likely have that crossover appeal though. A lot more pop since 2014 - and that support slot for Swift will have done wonders for introducing them to the younger crowd.

The stadiums looked strangely half empty when they were on, I'd have assumed everyone would've been in well early for Swift, prob all queuing for merch though!

Actually just went to double check as one vid does not speak for all and it looks at least 80-90% full for the Cardiff show at least.

They're a weird one Paramore as they've kind of had two very distinct eras, the new stuff leaves me cold why I know loads of people who love it but hate the early stuff.  Guess that mean they can appeal to all, they wouldn't personally get me buying a ticket though

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[Muppetmark]

1 hour ago, Benj said:

The stadiums looked strangely half empty when they were on, I'd have assumed everyone would've been in well early for Swift, prob all queuing for merch though!

Actually just went to double check as one vid does not speak for all and it looks at least 80-90% full for the Cardiff show at least.

They're a weird one Paramore as they've kind of had two very distinct eras, the new stuff leaves me cold why I know loads of people who love it but hate the early stuff.  Guess that mean they can appeal to all, they wouldn't personally get me buying a ticket though

depends what days you were looking at. they were on quite early (pre 6pm) so would be difficult on a work day.

murrayfield the day i went was very full for paramore, and wembley was still very busy (85%+) the day i went

[Dukey]

could Panic at the Disco be on the cards? 

[So Sad Simon]

16 minutes ago, Dukey said:

could Panic at the Disco be on the cards? 

That must be one of the shortest splits in music history!

[Dukey]

47 minutes ago, So Sad Simon said:

That must be one of the shortest splits in music history!

Tbf they’ve suggested on their Instagram post this might be all they’re doing 

[charlierc]

9 hours ago, Benj said:

The stadiums looked strangely half empty when they were on, I'd have assumed everyone would've been in well early for Swift, prob all queuing for merch though!

Actually just went to double check as one vid does not speak for all and it looks at least 80-90% full for the Cardiff show at least.

They're a weird one Paramore as they've kind of had two very distinct eras, the new stuff leaves me cold why I know loads of people who love it but hate the early stuff.  Guess that mean they can appeal to all, they wouldn't personally get me buying a ticket though

Looked fairly well stuffed in a video of the Liverpool show I found on YouTube. But I don't think any two shows will be alike. There might well have been shows where everyone's in and others where they're all still filtering in, as is common at stadium shows.

 

I got into Paramore through This is Why tbf. But there's a lot throughout their discography to get on board with and I don't see where else you'd put them on an R&L line-up other than being the headliner. Though I can see why people would want a strong undercard to back them up.

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[wghennessy]

Panic are done. They are only doing it for a payday and its in Vegas. I cant see them doing anymore.

[northernangel]

Judging by previous times, I would expect an Eminem stadium announcement this side of the year necessary. With him on board it could look very low key

[gfa]

13 minutes ago, wghennessy said:

Panic are done. They are only doing it for a payday and its in Vegas. I cant see them doing anymore.

They were a weak booking last time tbh - was not busy at Reading