2025 R&L Festival

[Andre91]

Tyler, the Creator has added extra dates to his tour and is now playing: 

 

The O2 x3 

Co-Op Live x2 

Birmingham x1 

Glasgow x1 

 

In total, that’s 130,000+ tickets. I reckon he’s a good bet to headline 2026. He’d unquestionably be one of the big three headliners. 

[RedJosh]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

It's a far cry from Blink, Fred and Liam

I don't think it is far away as you think with the main headliners or what they have tried to book as a balance at the top since 2017.

 

I feel like Foo's fall into the same category as the likes of AM, The Killers, The 1975, Sam Fender, Kings of Leon or Liam Gallagher as rock/indie headliners for the dark fruits crowd.

 

Bring Me fall into a hard rock/pop-punk headliner with the likes of Muse, Blink, Fall Out Boy, Biffy, Green Day, Rage Against the Machine, Queens of the Stone Age or Metallica.

 

Then the third headliner goes to a massive popular artist that is going to appeal to younger people along with a big old chunk of the undercard as that is where the majority of their weekend ticket sales are going. I think a lot of the acts in the first grouping will also appeal to the target audience, while they are banking on the middle group bringing in day ticket sales who will buy food, merch and beer.

[foolee]

I think we’re looking at 6 from Stormzy, Bring Me The Horizon, Foo Fighters, Charli XCX, Chase & Status, Chappell Roan & Kasabian. Obviously outside bets of Hozier & Central Cee given the info but honestly can’t see either of those if all of the above are about next year. 

[northernangel]

9 hours ago, RedJosh said:

I don't think it is far away as you think with the main headliners or what they have tried to book as a balance at the top since 2017.

 

I feel like Foo's fall into the same category as the likes of AM, The Killers, The 1975, Sam Fender, Kings of Leon or Liam Gallagher as rock/indie headliners for the dark fruits crowd.

 

Bring Me fall into a hard rock/pop-punk headliner with the likes of Muse, Blink, Fall Out Boy, Biffy, Green Day, Rage Against the Machine, Queens of the Stone Age or Metallica.

 

Then the third headliner goes to a massive popular artist that is going to appeal to younger people along with a big old chunk of the undercard as that is where the majority of their weekend ticket sales are going. I think a lot of the acts in the first grouping will also appeal to the target audience, while they are banking on the middle group bringing in day ticket sales who will buy food, merch and beer.

 

I'll be honest, I stopped bothering you referenced the now boring quote of dark fruits crowd like they all do something wrong other than just enjoy a drink and watch a band. We're not calling out the people chucking beers up in the air because it tastes like piss though are we? Just get a better debate and argument. 

 

Metallica and Rage maybe are the only one's that have any relevance to what BMTH do. I would never associate them with any of the others as they touch knowehere near death core, metal core ore alternative metal.

[Andre91]

Nobody is chucking an £8 in the air tbf 😂

[RedJosh]

4 hours ago, northernangel said:

 

I'll be honest, I stopped bothering you referenced the now boring quote of dark fruits crowd like they all do something wrong other than just enjoy a drink and watch a band. We're not calling out the people chucking beers up in the air because it tastes like piss though are we? Just get a better debate and argument. 

 

Metallica and Rage maybe are the only one's that have any relevance to what BMTH do. I would never associate them with any of the others as they touch knowehere near death core, metal core ore alternative metal.

Wasn't having a go at all. I was referencing the booking strategy that R+L have employed for almost a decade and roughly broke down the headliners into 3 groups they are trying to draw in - young people (who has always been the main group), indie fans/dark fruits crowd (who have been represented for 35+ years) and people that rocked up at R+L between 2000-2015ish for nu-metal, pop-punk and metalcore.

 

You, I and people rooted in alternative/heavy music and culture might not think that the bands I listed in the 'rock' headliner group are similar, but to lots of normal people they do fall in the same category. Plus, when normies think of Bring Me they are thinking of songs like Throne, Drown, Happy Song, MANTRA, Obey - they aren't thinking of Crucify Me, Aligator Blood, Written In Blood, Chelsea Smile or Blessed with a Curse.

[northernangel]

4 minutes ago, RedJosh said:

Wasn't having a go at all. I was referencing the booking strategy that R+L have employed for almost a decade and roughly broke down the headliners into 3 groups they are trying to draw in - young people (who has always been the main group), indie fans/dark fruits crowd (who have been represented for 35+ years) and people that rocked up at R+L between 2000-2015ish for nu-metal, pop-punk and metalcore.

 

You, I and people rooted in alternative/heavy music and culture might not think that the bands I listed in the 'rock' headliner group are similar, but to lots of normal people they do fall in the same category. Plus, when normies think of Bring Me they are thinking of songs like Throne, Drown, Happy Song, MANTRA, Obey - they aren't thinking of Crucify Me, Aligator Blood, Written In Blood, Chelsea Smile or Blessed with a Curse.

It's just such a typical thing that's said on here, oh it'll please their crowd like they all jauy chuck cider.

 

Me and some friends don't like lager so we drink usually jd or fruit ciders and just watch and enjoy a band. We actually don't go to places where there it's likely to be more crap and messing about we can't be bothered with.

 

English lager louts is one of the biggest know things but ignored on here because it's not relative to a selection of bands people don't care for.

[Andre91]

12 minutes ago, northernangel said:

It's just such a typical thing that's said on here, oh it'll please their crowd like they all jauy chuck cider.

 

Me and some friends don't like lager so we drink usually jd or fruit ciders and just watch and enjoy a band. We actually don't go to places where there it's likely to be more crap and messing about we can't be bothered with.

 

English lager louts is one of the biggest know things but ignored on here because it's not relative to a selection of bands people don't care for.

It’s not that deep. Dark Fruits is a ‘banter’ term used to refer to indie fans who probably like football too. Nobody is attacking you for not wanting to drink lager. 

[RedJosh]

1 hour ago, northernangel said:

It's just such a typical thing that's said on here, oh it'll please their crowd like they all jauy chuck cider.

 

Me and some friends don't like lager so we drink usually jd or fruit ciders and just watch and enjoy a band. We actually don't go to places where there it's likely to be more crap and messing about we can't be bothered with.

 

English lager louts is one of the biggest know things but ignored on here because it's not relative to a selection of bands people don't care for.

Like Andre said it ain't that deep. Using it as an umbarella term for a wide group of people who generally like the bigger indie bands and will turn up for them.

[Andre91]

I’ve got a few mates I would describe as Dark Fruits. It doesn’t mean I like them any less; it just means they like a lot of crap music, which is fine. They can’t all be like me. 

[gfa]

21 hours ago, Andre91 said:

Bring Me The Horizon x Chase & Status 

 

Central Cee x Chappell Roan 

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

Just a guess. Could see Cench and C&S swapping. 

There is no way Central Cee is the main headliner.

 

Literally nothing warrant this - he's dropping off, has no dates that warrant this slot etc

[tomarchbold]

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

 

Chase & Status  x Kasabian

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

im choosing to believe cench isnt there as wishful thinking

[Andre91]

BMTH x Chappell Roan 😍

[Muppetmark]

1 hour ago, tomarchbold said:

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

 

Chase & Status  x Kasabian

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

im choosing to believe cench isnt there as wishful thinking

Bmth x Chappell is too perfect 

[LazyDavid]

Yes BMTH and Chappell would be my day ticket sorted already I think

[andyrhodes24]

H-O-T-T-O-G-O followed by S-P-I-R-I-T, let’s hear it.

 

GIVE IT TO ME!

 

Edited November 1 by andyrhodes24

[Chad888]

On 11/1/2024 at 7:21 AM, northernangel said:

 

I'll be honest, I stopped bothering you referenced the now boring quote of dark fruits crowd like they all do something wrong other than just enjoy a drink and watch a band. We're not calling out the people chucking beers up in the air because it tastes like piss though are we? Just get a better debate and argument. 

He didn't say anything derogatory about the Dark Fruits crowd? He just named them (but incorrectly aligned them with Foos).

 

'Dark Fruits' has been used for easily the last 10 years, plus. It's used because when it's said, you immediately know the type of music spoken about. It's not a negative connotation, just a genre of music assosciated with fans that drink specific drinks.

 

And yes, Reading has catered a headliner to that dark fruits crowd, continuously. The group I go with are literally the definition of Dark Fruits. They only drink Dark Fruits, and only go for that specific type of music, they think they're the connoisseurs of that music, skinny jeans baggy top, mop hair that they constantly sweep out their eyes.

 

Liam Gallagher > Sam Fender > Arctic Monkeys > Liam Gallagher > Liam Gallagher > 1975 > Fallout Boy > Kasabian > Biffy Clyro > Libertines > Arctic Monkeys > Biffy Clyro > Kasabian > The Strokes > Arcade Fire

[foolee]

17 hours ago, tomarchbold said:

Bring Me The Horizon x Chappell Roan

 

Chase & Status  x Kasabian

 

Foo Fighters x Hozier

 

im choosing to believe cench isnt there as wishful thinking

Tbh Hozier or Cench in the slot below Foos and this sells extremely well tbh. That BMTH Chappell Roan day would be fantastic, would have to consider a day ticket for that one. 

[Andre91]

The 1975 being labelled a Dark Fruits band? Boy, do I have a lot of stories of casual homophobia levelled at that band by that crowd. Dark Fruits they are not. Far, far too interesting a band. 

[DomDom1984]

I honestly had The 1975 as more of a pop thing than an indie thing.

[Chad888]

29 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

The 1975 being labelled a Dark Fruits band? Boy, do I have a lot of stories of casual homophobia levelled at that band by that crowd. Dark Fruits they are not. Far, far too interesting a band. 

You reckon? 

 

We're the same age, so I'd say have a similar understanding of the dark fruits music from when we were at secondary school/college, into the student clubs ... I'd say if you ever go to a student halls party and hear some lads grabbed a guitar and started strumming a song, that is a dark fruit song.

 

The lads who I see as Dark Fruits now back in that period between 2005 and 2012ish was Kasabian, P!atD, Fallout Boy, Fratellis, Arctic Monkeys, Kings of Leon, Biffy Clyro, Oasis, Radiohead, Kaiser Chiefs, Franz Ferdinand, Wombats etc.

 

I used to be deeply into that scene too, but I guess I removed myself when I discovered clubbing long before 1975 came about, and going off the 2022 headline I pegged them as the same boat as early Arctics.

[Chad888]

31 minutes ago, DomDom1984 said:

I honestly had The 1975 as more of a pop thing than an indie thing.

I guess it's looking at the people that enjoy that kind of music now, kids now have changed from when we were young. I think I've tried to take the modern genres of kids and tried to cross-reference to what we had growing up.

 

20-25 years ago, you go into year 7 with a playlist of Eminem, Gorillaz, Red Hot Chili Peppers, April Lavigne, Shaggy, Afroman, Green Day.

 

Then based on the group you settle with, you will like either:

 

Alt/Indie - Kasabian, Fallout Boy, Biffy, Arctics..

 

Rap/Grime - Devlin, Professor Green, Chipmunk, English Frank, N-Dubz, Plan B, Kano..

 

Videogame Rock Soundtracks - Foos, RATM, Blink etc

 

I think I just saw 1975 as fitting in with my preconceptions of groups when I was a kid

[Andre91]

1 hour ago, DomDom1984 said:

I honestly had The 1975 as more of a pop thing than an indie thing.

They are a pop band. 

[RedJosh]

2 hours ago, Chad888 said:

He didn't say anything derogatory about the Dark Fruits crowd? He just named them (but incorrectly aligned them with Foos).

I get that Northern Angel sees the term as an insult, but in here I've not seen it used that way. Glad that most people can see this.

 

However regarding Foos, I didn't say they are a dark fruits band, I said they fall into a category, along with dark fruits bands, as someone that will placate the dark fruits crowd (indie fans). Almost everyone I know that is an indie fan also likes the Foos.

[northernangel]

1 hour ago, RedJosh said:

I get that Northern Angel sees the term as an insult, but in here I've not seen it used that way. Glad that most people can see this.

 

However regarding Foos, I didn't say they are a dark fruits band, I said they fall into a category, along with dark fruits bands, as someone that will placate the dark fruits crowd (indie fans). Almost everyone I know that is an indie fan also likes the Foos.

 

Not an insult, just something I've seen referred to a lot almost as bottom of the barrel suggestions due to a lot of people not liking whoever it's referred to.