UK Politics

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

‘Middle-class lefties’ won’t stop Labour using private sector to cut NHS backlog, Streeting says

 

that'll send a few people into overdrive.

if the private sector has the spare  capacity and it isn't easy for the nhs to build extra capacity then why not? make use of resources.

 

anything where the nhs pays a contract fee is being labelled as private sector, even when charities or not-for-profits. they need to be careful that they don't campaign to throw out good stuff that's working.

 

He has to be careful, middle class lefties are Labour's base these days.

Edited April 8 by steviewevie

[Neil]

Labour going to announce a crackdown on tax avoiders to make up the tax income that hunt used in the budget.

If its rhat easy to crack down on and collect you wonder why no one has done it before.

Someone will suggest they start with Rayner.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Is Reeves really expecting us to believe that a crack down on tax avoidance is going to to be enough to pay for their spending plans, plus all the other things that needs loads more cash?

[steviewevie]

oh yeah, sorry..forgot. They're going to grow the economy.

Genius.

[clarkete]

11 hours ago, Neil said:

Labour going to announce a crackdown on tax avoiders to make up the tax income that hunt used in the budget.

If its rhat easy to crack down on and collect you wonder why no one has done it before.

Someone will suggest they start with Rayner.

Clearly you go after meaty targets... 

[clarkete]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Is Reeves really expecting us to believe that a crack down on tax avoidance is going to to be enough to pay for their spending plans, plus all the other things that needs loads more cash?

Isn't one of the things that's annoyed a lot of voters that the tories have mercilessly pursued poor folks even in some cases where they thought they were following advice, yet doing sweet f for tax avoiders? 

 

It can win political support if you don't just spend your time honouring dodgy rich folk. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/07/dwp-carer-allowance-benefit-payment-case

[steviewevie]

25 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Isn't one of the things that's annoyed a lot of voters that the tories have mercilessly pursued poor folks even in some cases where they thought they were following advice, yet doing sweet f for tax avoiders? 

 

It can win political support if you don't just spend your time honouring dodgy rich folk. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2024/apr/07/dwp-carer-allowance-benefit-payment-case

I'm sure it would be popular going after the rich dodgy types...but it is a fantasy to think that will be enough to fill the spending gap (imo).

Edited April 9 by steviewevie

[Neil]

just seen the greens called the tree tories, made me laugh, happy partners then with tartan tories.

[lazyred]

3 hours ago, clarkete said:

 

Clearly you go after meaty targets... 

 

The Tories have spent the Nom Dom taxes Somehow a bit extra on Nom Dom is going to find 5Bn more.

 

Compared to Europe UK income tax on the top earners is already simialr and on the middle/low earners quite low. This is because we take less from social taxes (National Insurance) and have a high tax free allowance. We can tax unearned income and property or wealth more  and increase NI eg reverse the recent cut or make pensioners pay it. However taxing to European levels will mean more from middle earners.

 

https://ifs.org.uk/taxlab/taxlab-key-questions/how-do-uk-tax-revenues-compare-internationally?tab=tab-402

 

Edited April 9 by lazyred
typo

[steviewevie]

16 minutes ago, Neil said:

just seen the greens called the tree tories, made me laugh, happy partners then with tartan tories.

 

how are they tories? and how are SNP tories? Some people like to call Labour tories too. Other people (Tice and friends) like to call Tories and Labour socialists.

 

[lost]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

it is a fantasy to think that will be enough to fill the spending gap (imo).

 

Yeah its all bollocks but if anyone told the truth they wouldn't get elected.

 

Great thread here on twitter from one of the Tories I hadn't heard of regarding OBR forcasts:

 

 

Edited April 9 by lost

[lazyred]

Cracking down on tax evasion means going after small businesses not the rich.

 

From June 2023  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tax-gap-holds-steady-at-48

 

Further findings for the 2021 to 2022 tax gap publication show:

• at 56% (£20.2 billion), small businesses represent the largest proportion of the tax gap by group, followed by criminals, large businesses and mid-sized businesses at 11% each (£4.1 billion, £3.9 billion and £3.8 billion respectively)
• wealthy individuals account for 5% (£1.7 billion) while all other individuals account for the remaining 6% (£2.1 billion) of the overall tax gap
• Income Tax, National Insurance contributions and Capital Gains Tax makes up 35% (£12.7 billion) of the total tax gap when measured by type of tax
• Corporation Tax (CT) is now estimated as the second largest component of the tax gap by tax type at 30% (£10.6 billion). New data has increased our understanding of the CT tax gap, resulting in revised estimates
• the VAT gap continues a long-term downward trend falling from 14.0% (£11.9 billion) in 2005 to 2006 to 5.4% (£7.6 billion)

[Neil]

18 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

how are they tories? and how are SNP tories? Some people like to call Labour tories too. Other people (Tice and friends) like to call Tories and Labour socialists.

 

They can be as NIMBY as the Tories apparently.snp gained the label tartan Tories decades ago. And petty much follow the Tory status quo.

[Neil]

Greens against solar power

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65926756

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, lost said:

 

Yeah its all bollocks but if anyone told the truth they wouldn't get elected.

 

Great thread here on twitter from one of the Tories I hadn't heard of regarding OBR forcasts:

 

 

 

well, the demographic problem is only going to get worse, unless they can persuade women that having kids is great and they should stop thinking about careers and fun and stuff and start procreating as soon as they come of age and just keep popping them out. I guess we could do what they did in Logans run, or hope tech hurries up and fulfills all those utopian promises of us just chilling out while robots do all the work, or that immigration fills the gap and they keep reproducing in those poorer countries, or maybe we're just going to have to put up with everything getting more and more sh*t until everything goes all book of revelation.

[clarkete]

49 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Cracking down on tax evasion means going after small businesses not the rich.

 

From June 2023  https://www.gov.uk/government/news/tax-gap-holds-steady-at-48

 

Further findings for the 2021 to 2022 tax gap publication show:

• at 56% (£20.2 billion), small businesses represent the largest proportion of the tax gap by group, followed by criminals, large businesses and mid-sized businesses at 11% each (£4.1 billion, £3.9 billion and £3.8 billion respectively)
• wealthy individuals account for 5% (£1.7 billion) while all other individuals account for the remaining 6% (£2.1 billion) of the overall tax gap
• Income Tax, National Insurance contributions and Capital Gains Tax makes up 35% (£12.7 billion) of the total tax gap when measured by type of tax
• Corporation Tax (CT) is now estimated as the second largest component of the tax gap by tax type at 30% (£10.6 billion). New data has increased our understanding of the CT tax gap, resulting in revised estimates
• the VAT gap continues a long-term downward trend falling from 14.0% (£11.9 billion) in 2005 to 2006 to 5.4% (£7.6 billion)

So large businesses, corporation tax and wealthy individuals sound well worth it then. 

 

Perhaps if we had a government that focussed more on that than on repeatedly trying to cut inheritance tax rates, which would only benefit the wealthiest 5%

Edited April 9 by clarkete

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, clarkete said:

So large businesses, corporation tax and wealthy individuals sound well worth it then. 

 

Perhaps if we had a government that focussed more on that than on repeatedly trying to cut inheritance tax rates, which would only benefit the wealthiest 5%

 

It's just every Govt promises to crack down and the missing proportion stays the same. A proper crackdown will hit more people like Rayner and very few like Ashcroft.

To raise large amounts everyone has to pay a bit more. If we keep the tax allowance freeze until 2028 it will raise 33Bn extra that year.

[steviewevie]

Yeah Keir, stop the killing you homicidal maniac.

 

[clarkete]

25 minutes ago, lazyred said:

 

It's just every Govt promises to crack down and the missing proportion stays the same. A proper crackdown will hit more people like Rayner and very few like Ashcroft.

To raise large amounts everyone has to pay a bit more. If we keep the tax allowance freeze until 2028 it will raise 33Bn extra that year.

That sounds like a great argument if you wanted to do nowt. 

[steviewevie]

 

[lazyred]

1 hour ago, clarkete said:

That sounds like a great argument if you wanted to do nowt. 

 

No every little helps, just that the people you think  will pay won't be the ones that do pay. Try this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/09/how-realistic-labour-aspiration-cut-tax-gap-5bn-rachel-reeves

 

[Neil]

22 minutes ago, lazyred said:

 

No every little helps, just that the people you think  will pay won't be the ones that do pay. Try this

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/09/how-realistic-labour-aspiration-cut-tax-gap-5bn-rachel-reeves

 

every govt says it'll crack down on non-payers, if any of them did, the next one wouldn't be able to say the same.

[steviewevie]

Wragg has resigned. Almost feel sorry for him.