UK Politics

[mattiloy]

Lmao

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

13 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

U-turning on the u-turn until they u-turn again. Farcical stuff from the Liebour party.

[Neil]

7 hours ago, Nobody Interesting said:

FYI I knew Mark Harper before he was an MP. He was an accountant and had the communication skills of a slug and was shy and hated being out in public.

i read that and it reminded me that i knew Mark Thatcher (before he was infamous), who was similar to describe to that  above but worked out of an estate agents (in Yateley, hants) selling mortgages.

[Neil]

i'm interested in what labour will do with zero-hours contracts, cos for some places, it works well for employer and employee.

 

the carers where i live are on zhc's, quite a few are young mums, who want/need the flexibility so they can spend some of their time being mothers.

changing zhc's could  have lots of carers stop working (which is the last thing the sector needs!)

[philipsteak]

My industry (hospitality/tourism) is similar. We've had people on zero hours where it suits them as much as us. Might be students or it's a second job for a bit of extra cash and we can give them a call if we have an event on or know it's going to be extra busy and they can say yes or no.

The version where it's your main/only job and you don't know week to week how much you'll be working is bad but sometimes it can benefit both.

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, philipsteak said:

My industry (hospitality/tourism) is similar. We've had people on zero hours where it suits them as much as us. Might be students or it's a second job for a bit of extra cash and we can give them a call if we have an event on or know it's going to be extra busy and they can say yes or no.

The version where it's your main/only job and you don't know week to week how much you'll be working is bad but sometimes it can benefit both.

 

I think the idea is to bring those people more work security, but also allows more flexibility in their work so they can work any hours etc. Basically more workers rights.  Looks like Labour, under pressure from businesses, were going to water it down, but those pesky unions have pushed back. 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Blimey

 

[steviewevie]

[zahidf]

Just now, steviewevie said:

 

accoridng to the private eye, he was on the verge of being deselected by his local party members anyway

[Crazyfool01]

Who next ? This is comical 

[Nobody Interesting]

13 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Im sure some of the socialists in labour could source some funding for the training if they wanted. It can’t make Starmer charismatic, so why would it have a different impact on RLB or Burgon.

 

I don’t think Rayner has ever been in the socialist group and at present she is completely on board with the centre left Starmer project.

 

Saying I could name loads more but can’t be bothered, reminds me of a few teenage (when I was a teenager many years ago) friends discussing their sexual conquests. If you think these great communicators on the labour left exist then name them!

 

Name them on the left, so I name one and you change 'the left' to be 'socialists'.

If you change the rules of the game part way through don't be surprised when others don't want to play your game.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

 

I think the idea is to bring those people more work security, but also allows more flexibility in their work so they can work any hours etc. Basically more workers rights.  Looks like Labour, under pressure from businesses, were going to water it down, but those pesky unions have pushed back. 

the income security for the employee comes at the cost (literally, of the employer), who can't commit to a fixed number of hours because of varying need, the employer isn't not committing because they're exploitative, but because of the varying situation. banning zhc's is a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

centre left Starmer project.

why are those who want a more-left labour part so politically stupid, it seems most most would vote for a new corbyn tomorrow, to repeat their huge fail and give us another 15 years of the tories.

[Neil]

37 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

accoridng to the private eye, he was on the verge of being deselected by his local party members anyway

he'd obviously run out of ways to heat his stables on taxpayers money.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

why are those who want a more-left labour part so politically stupid, it seems most most would vote for a new corbyn tomorrow, to repeat their huge fail and give us another 15 years of the tories.

They had the chance after Corbyn stopped being leader and failed.

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

 

Name them on the left, so I name one and you change 'the left' to be 'socialists'.

If you change the rules of the game part way through don't be surprised when others don't want to play your game.

if you get called out for things you've said you throw your dummy out of the pram, because you're too clever to be skewered by your own words.

[Neil]

Just now, zahidf said:

They had the chance after Corbyn stopped being leader and failed.

they tried - they tried to give us RLB . how would labour be doing now if that had happened, nobody smart would be complaining that nothing was going to improve cos the tories were staying  cos he'd got his way. 

[steviewevie]

28 minutes ago, Neil said:

the income security for the employee comes at the cost (literally, of the employer), who can't commit to a fixed number of hours because of varying need, the employer isn't not committing because they're exploitative, but because of the varying situation. banning zhc's is a sledgehammer to crack a peanut.

yeah, well businesses were all worried about minimum wage or other regulations or brexit etc...and in the end they adapt and survive.

[Neil]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, well businesses were all worried about minimum wage or other regulations or brexit etc...and in the end they adapt and survive.

adapting for the business might be choosing to not offer any hours, the only option if there's no money for the wages.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

adapting for the business might be choosing to not offer any hours, the only option if there's no money for the wages.

 

Like I say, people did same push back with min wage...whereas in hindsight that was seen as one of labour's better policies.

[Neil]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Like I say, people did same push back with min wage...whereas in hindsight that was seen as one of labour's better policies.

might have been a good policy, but that ignores whether its affordable by employers, especially every year when the pay rise comes around - the only way many businesses can find the money to pay for it, is by cutting hours.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

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