UK Politics

[fraybentos1]

28 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Jeez man, just let her stand. She's getting on anyway. Why bother with the beef?

Yeah exactly, I don’t really get it. You barely hear from her anyway and it would probs appease a few of the of the lefties in the party at virtually no expense 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah exactly, I don’t really get it. You barely hear from her anyway and it would probs appease a few of the of the lefties in the party at virtually no expense 

Apparently she liked a post by Corbyn's wife about him standing as an independent. To be fair she often slags off Starner or Streeting or labour policy on twitter, she hasn't helped her own cause. Maybe they'll offer her a peerage.

[mattiloy]

40 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Jeez man, just let her stand. She's getting on anyway. Why bother with the beef?

Even if you agree with them politically- ie right wing economically, socially and pro genocide- surely the lies, the manipulation, the factionalism, the corruption and the hypocrisy stick in the craw?

Mandelson’s fingerprints are all over this latest incarnation of Labour and it stinks to high heaven. You can’t trust these people. Its a megalomaniac freakshow. There isn’t a single decent human being amongst them.

[Neil]

25 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah exactly, I don’t really get it. You barely hear from her anyway and it would probs appease a few of the of the lefties in the party at virtually no expense 

It's just starting the countdown to the next incident; Diane will be Diane.

[Neil]

What's going on with the red paint at Manchester university?

[mattiloy]

When mcternan and alastair campbell’s wife are expressing moral outrage over the decision making at labour hq, something is clearly stinking rotten.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, mattiloy said:

When mcternan and alastair campbell’s wife are expressing moral outrage over the decision making at labour hq, something is clearly stinking rotten.

Has Abbott accepted party discipline and done that course yet. Doubt it she likes to play the martyr(an extension of that letter) and there's lots of willing suckers for the act.

[stuie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

Has Abbott accepted party discipline and done that course yet. Doubt it she likes to play the martyr(an extension of that letter) and there's lots of willing suckers for the act.

Yes she’s done the course. 
The act? The act of being a great MP, continuously elected by her constituents since before a lot of us were born. I’m a sucker for that act. 

[steviewevie]

Just shows the age old factionalism in labour. Left Vs right. Pro Israel Vs pro Palestine. Used to be Margaret Hodge...now its Diane Abbott. I respect Abbott, but that letter was really quite dodge and she hasn't helped herself much since, but at same time if they'd done with her hearing and antisemitism course months ago then this should have been decided then.

Still I don't accept any of the sh*t online about all this, how Starner must be racist/mysoginist/Zionist...there is so much stupid bullshit flying around...and goes the other way, people saying Starner is an Islamist for restoring her whip. So many dumb f**king idiots.

Edited May 28 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Just shows the age old factionalism in labour. Left Vs right. Pro Israel Vs pro Palestine. Used to be Margaret Hodge...now its Diane Abbott. I respect Abbott, but that letter was really quite dodge and she hasn't helped herself much since, but at same time if they'd done with her hearing and antisemitism course months ago then this should have been decided then.

Still I don't accept any of the sh*t online about all this, how Starner must be racist/mysoginist/Zionist...there is so much stupid bullshit flying around...and goes the other way, people saying Starner is an Islamist for restoring her whip. So many dumb f**king idiots.

They did make the decision months ago. It was buried by the leadership.

 

Whether you like it or not, the reality is that Labour is now in the hands of right wingers who are committed to the worst aspects of Blairism but without any extra cash to spend on public services to appease voters. That leaves them economically, socially, domestically and abroad, no different to the tories. Then if part of the horror of the tories is how dishonest, corrupt and self serving the individuals are then I’ve got news for you.

 

But whatever. They’ll still win. And then in 5 years time when the uk is still f**king shite and you fancy slagging them off on here, I wont rub it in, wont say i told you so.

 

Its an odd thing. I occasionally listen to James O’Brien to hear what the lobotomised centrist viewpoint on the big story of the day is. He has some catch phrases that always make me laugh - ’if someone tells you who they are believe them the first time’ and another which is something like ’they (tories/brexiteers) ask you to ignore the evidence of your eyes and ears’ - all while bending over backwards to justify why what some Labour twat (usually Starmer) said or did is actually fine and actually you should in fact disregard it because he’s decided that they’re actually good guys.

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

The NEC member given the responsibility for rigging the selections, Luke Akehurst, is the director of a lobby group called ’we believe in Israel’ and the director of the right wing labour to win/labour first faction (formerly progress - Mandelson’s baby), who were behind Liz Kendall in the corbyn election and got battered. They are funded by big business.

 

We believe israel along with BICOM and the board of deputies lead the charge vs Labour antisemitism.

 

Regardless of whether you think that Corbyn’s Labour was more antisemitic than what came before (given that the main findings of the ehrc were about procedure that existed before Corbyn and that Corbyn was not able to change until his general secretary came in in 2017) - it is remarkable that all of the recommendations of the subsequent Forde report have apparently been ignored in the case of Abbott (ie complaints handling procedures, hierarchy of racism, leadership interfering in individual complaints). As per Forde himself here:

https://x.com/toryfibs/status/1795463008765755737?s=46 .

 

Almost as if it didnt actually matter in the end anyway. This is how a faction who were interested in getting what they wanted from the process would behave, rather than the actual content of the report.
 

It is even more remarkable that Luke Akehurst is now reportedly in line for a safe seat.

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

To be clear, i am not saying that there is a pro israel cabal running Labour in order to achieve pro israel things, or that there wasnt a problem with antisemitism. Its obviously true that procedures (that had been in place long before Corbyn) needed to change to handle complaints more efficiently.

 

I’m saying Labour to win did everything to fan the flames of the antisemitism furore to get what they wanted, then cynically dumped the recommendations immediately afterwards when they didnt serve their purposes and have as Mcternan (himself a Blairite) suggested set out to humiliate and crush both Abbott and all the other factions more widely.

 

And that now one of the chief architects of that strategy, who was also responsible for the rigging of the candidacy lists and ensured that the labour first faction had total control of the party, is also now himself in line for a safe seat.

 

Then you see that the most right wing faction in Labour has an iron grip on the party, and they are every bit as slimey as the tories and are not far off them ideologically.

[steviewevie]

 

[pink_triangle]

I understand the Corbyn thing more. I think the leadership think distancing them from him may potentially lose a seat, but will have electoral benefit elsewhere. The Tory’s don’t bring up his name every chance because they think he is a vote winner for labour.

 

To me not letting Abbott stand is being over cautious, at the same time she showed poor political judgement writing that letter.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Just shows the age old factionalism in labour. Left Vs right. Pro Israel Vs pro Palestine. Used to be Margaret Hodge...now its Diane Abbott. I respect Abbott, but that letter was really quite dodge and she hasn't helped herself much since, but at same time if they'd done with her hearing and antisemitism course months ago then this should have been decided then.

Still I don't accept any of the sh*t online about all this, how Starner must be racist/mysoginist/Zionist...there is so much stupid bullshit flying around...and goes the other way, people saying Starner is an Islamist for restoring her whip. So many dumb f**king idiots.

that letter was standard abbott that only she knows what racism is; other people don't suffer the same.

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, Neil said:

that letter was standard abbott that only she knows what racism is; other people don't suffer the same.

yes, the letter was stupid, but she has apologised etc. Anyway, looks like she has the whip restored, but they don't want her to stand.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

 

Edited May 29 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

Apparently Labour and Abbott have been negotiating last few weeks, and was decided that she would have whip restored and then she could quit herself because of health reasons giving her a dignified departure. But the leaks to the press, first to newsnight about her hearing being completed months ago, and then to the Times that she wasn't to be allowed to stand, have f**ked it and now it is all a big mess.

Edited May 29 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

...and now Labour have to look tough to the electorate, but try not to upset their own MPs and members who are very sympathetic to Abbott and how she's been treated. Having her whip restored and then she is grateful but says she will stand down at next election sounds like what they wanted, but instead they have f**ked it and now many across all parts of labour are upset and it just looks like Labour in-fighting and control freakery. Not a good look.

Edited May 29 by steviewevie

[Nobody Interesting]

12 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Jeez man, just let her stand. She's getting on anyway. Why bother with the beef?

 

11 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

Yeah exactly, I don’t really get it. You barely hear from her anyway and it would probs appease a few of the of the lefties in the party at virtually no expense 

 

To me it shows how scared the party is of any connection to Corbyn and the left (yes I know Raynor is from there but she seems to have 'moderated'.

I know some very loyal Labour folks who are disgusted especially given the welcome Elphicke got

[steviewevie]

so now any labour politicians doing media rounds to talk about policies like cutting NHS waiting lists or whatever are asked about Abbott. Most people probably don't care but they will just see Labour navel gazing in fighting and think oh they haven't changed. They've had f**king ages to sort this out.