UK Politics

[Neil]

47 minutes ago, clarkete said:

Come on you don't really believe that codswallop, you're just being provocative. 

You know as well as any of us there have always been active sections of young folks - campaigning about green issues, nuclear power, peace, women's issues, racism, etc

But many folks have become disenchanted by FPTP and not feeling their vote made a difference or their representatives cared about the same issues as them. 

that was  a party political broadcast by the lib dems!

[Neil]

28 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

You don't fly, we get that....... but you forget that flying accounts for slightly less than 2.5% of CO2 whereas beef production accounts for almost 20% yet you never mention that.

Most young people don't fly anyway - cos they cannot afford it but don't let that stop you having a pop at an entire generation with sweeping statements of 'fact'.

Did you get out in Bristol before the pandemic when the youth were on 'school strikes' and had a big march and gathering? They seemed very interested in changing things and certainly cared a lot.................... or are you one of those who moaned that they trampled the grass (which grew back)?

oh yes i know greta came to town, and i know that bristol airport wants more flights, and that not because the oldies are dying off. 😛 

[Neil]

28 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

Why do feel the need to use what someone looks like against them?

why do you feel me making light of his youthful appearance is such a major slight?

[Nobody Interesting]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Kind of sh*tty to make it political...need to take the heat out of it.

The Labour amendment is political too.................... they are all as sh*t as each other on this bar the SNP whose stance has remained the same from day 1

[Nobody Interesting]

4 minutes ago, Neil said:

why do you feel me making light of his youthful appearance is such a major slight?

Using any part of what someone looks like is wrong. People look like they do and it is irrelevant.

It is a rather right of centre thing to do using appearance to try and make your view points stronger.

No need for it but I doubt you will get that cos you are too busty ignoring huge parts of other posts to try and be the big man on climate change - wow, you don't fly we are all saved.

As much as I admire you not flying throwing it in the face of anyone else is not big and not clever - perhaps try and realise that not everyone in all generations is awful - some are, some are not. Sweeping statements just show a lack of debating ability.

Anyway, back on ignore you go as talking to you does become time consuming and utterly pointless and it will just be a matter of time before the personal insults fly.

Have a rest, smile and realise that most people of all ages want the same things in life.

Be kind.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

So, ceasefire by Thursday then. That's a relief.

yeah, definitely cos the snp have got integrity stitched up?

where's the missing £300k?

and why the motorhome?

and where's the missing whatapp msg's?

as the snp govern Scotland like a tory but with greater spending cuts, and a bigger desire to reward big carbon, and to burn all the oil.

[Neil]

Just now, Nobody Interesting said:

Using any part of what someone looks like is wrong. People look like they do and it is irrelevant.

he looks like a 1`2 year old, and displays the intellect of one too.

[fraybentos1]

10 minutes ago, Neil said:

oh yes i know greta came to town, and i know that bristol airport wants more flights, and that not because the oldies are dying off. 😛 

Do you eat meat Neil?

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

you don't fly we are all saved

i know that we're not, cos some of you still glory[s] in your flying[/s] wrecking the planet (or even encourage people to vote for the burn all the oil parties).

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Do you eat meat Neil?

can you get the other vegans to eat the same no-fart veggies that you eat?. 

[clarkete]

5 minutes ago, Neil said:

i know that we're not, cos some of you still glory[s] in your flying[/s] wrecking the planet (or even encourage people to vote for the burn all the oil parties).

"Between 2015 and 2017 the Conservative party increased its share of the vote by about five percentage points, adding a further point in 2019. In the graph below we can see that the bulk of that extra support in 2017 was from the two oldest age groups, who maintained their support in 2019."

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/

[Neil]

6 minutes ago, clarkete said:

"Between 2015 and 2017 the Conservative party increased its share of the vote by about five percentage points, adding a further point in 2019. In the graph below we can see that the bulk of that extra support in 2017 was from the two oldest age groups, who maintained their support in 2019."

https://www.britishelectionstudy.com/bes-findings/age-and-voting-behaviour-at-the-2019-general-election/

Its wasn't the dying off oldies who gave them those extra votes, must have been a growing part of the population. No idea who that could be? Perhaps the generation who celebrates their easier  ability to wreck the planet as a good thing.

Edited February 20 by Neil

[steviewevie]

29 minutes ago, Nobody Interesting said:

The Labour amendment is political too.................... they are all as sh*t as each other on this bar the SNP whose stance has remained the same from day 1

not arguing it isn't...but Labour and I expect Tories do not want to make it a Israel unilateral ceasefire but put some conditions on Hamas too...although SNP do say that Hamas need to release hostages...so they're all kind of saying the same thing, so ffs just agree on an amendment and get it through.

Whole thing is academic when you see the conditions Israel and Hamas have put on any ceasefire/truce happening...but I expect some people behind the scenes are trying to negotiate something and don't actually give a flying f**k what is happening in westminster.

Edited February 20 by steviewevie

[Nobody Interesting]

It is quite mad for anyone to fixate on one, small, part of the whole picture that makes up less than 2.5% whilst seeming to ignore some of the worst contributors all together.

I know this should be on the Climate Change thread but it is relevant to recent posts.

[steviewevie]

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Nobody Interesting said:

It is quite mad for anyone to fixate on one, small, part of the whole picture that makes up less than 2.5% whilst seeming to ignore some of the worst contributors all together.

I know this should be on the Climate Change thread but it is relevant to recent posts.

but what is that per head?

[clarkete]

11 minutes ago, Neil said:

Its wasn't the dying off oldies who gave them those extra votes, must have been a growing part of the population. No idea who that could be? Perhaps the generation who celebrates their easier  ability to wreck the planet as a good thing.

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement to the house = feel free to read the quote which disproves your response. 

[steviewevie]

Starmer is whipping MPs to vote against SNP motion...so could be fireworks tomorrow...more resignations maybe...lots of Starmer hate...etc etc...

[Neil]

1 minute ago, clarkete said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement to the house = feel free to read the quote which disproves your response. 

You mean your target voters

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, clarkete said:

I refer the honourable gentleman to my previous statement to the house = feel free to read the quote which disproves your response. 

I've just remembered I was wrong the youth do care that rhe libdems are lying arses, they went and voted Tory to protest about that.

Your version only works in a world with active resurrections and a disappearing yout.

Edited February 20 by Neil

[fraybentos1]

48 minutes ago, Neil said:

i know that we're not, cos some of you still glory[s] in your flying[/s] wrecking the planet (or even encourage people to vote for the burn all the oil parties).

the 'burn the oil parties' being every party minus the Greens who you seem to hate

 

45 minutes ago, Neil said:

can you get the other vegans to eat the same no-fart veggies that you eat?. 

what you on about

[fraybentos1]

14 minutes ago, Neil said:

the youth do care that rhe libdems are lying arses, they went and voted Tory to protest about that.

 

young people are of course famous for voting tory aren't they

[pink_triangle]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

not arguing it isn't...but Labour and I expect Tories do not want to make it a Israel unilateral ceasefire but put some conditions on Hamas too...although SNP do say that Hamas need to release hostages...so they're all kind of saying the same thing, so ffs just agree on an amendment and get it through.

Whole thing is academic when you see the conditions Israel and Hamas have put on any ceasefire/truce happening...but I expect some people behind the scenes are trying to negotiate something and don't actually give a flying f**k what is happening in westminster.

The wording is important in one respect. SNP know they will have no seat at the negotiating table in this, so can effectively say what they want. PM Starmer may have a small amount of influence, so I understand his caution.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

The wording is important in one respect. SNP know they will have no seat at the negotiating table in this, so can effectively say what they want. PM Starmer may have a small amount of influence, so I understand his caution.

yes ok, but maybe he should have called for this immediate humanitarian ceasefire back in November.

[pink_triangle]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yes ok, but maybe he should have called for this immediate humanitarian ceasefire back in November.

How would the world have been different if he did? Would he be in a better position to use his influence as future PM?