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[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Starmer doing his reset/relaunch/refocus/rehash plan for change speech today.

[lazyred]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Starmer doing his reset/relaunch/refocus/rehash plan for change speech today.

Its a good decision to promise to increase disposable income instead of being the fastest growing economy. The reports are there is no promise on immigration but it will have to be lower by the next election even it if impacts some of the other targets.

[steviewevie]

56 minutes ago, lazyred said:

Its a good decision to promise to increase disposable income instead of being the fastest growing economy. The reports are there is no promise on immigration but it will have to be lower by the next election even it if impacts some of the other targets.

the disposable income pledge is a bit of a joke really, but yes fastest growing economy in G7 was always silly. He'd be mental to do a immigration target, but that is thing that will be picked up on more than anything else.

I heard a bit of it, still banging on about his working class family etc. Still charisma free and untrustworthy after all the sh*t he's said in the past. What he needs to do is deliver.

[steviewevie]

Basically give people stuff and don't take anything away. Simple.

[lost]

Probably not the survey they wanted to see:

 

 

[lost]

Now thats a poll!

 

 

[steviewevie]

going to have to dig out my Aussie passport at this rate,

[steviewevie]

Tory/LD/Reform coalition.

Would probably last about 6 months.

[steviewevie]

Help the aged, f**k everyone else

 

[lost]

Probably why the renewable energy pledge has been watered down from the manifesto. From 100% by 2030 to 95% now.

Edited December 5, 2024 by lost

[kaosmark2]

5 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Basically give people stuff and don't take anything away. Simple.

Aside from the bus fare rise the stuff in the "danger zone" are my favourite things Labour have done so far!

[steviewevie]

31 minutes ago, lost said:

Probably why the renewable energy pledge has been watered down from the manifesto. From 100% by 2030 to 95% now.

to help the aged?

[steviewevie]

18 minutes ago, kaosmark2 said:

Aside from the bus fare rise the stuff in the "danger zone" are my favourite things Labour have done so far!

yeah well you're not the norm.

Two child cap is popular, making a universal benefit for pensioners means tested is super unpopular.

 

Bigger picture is we're going through similar sh*t to other western countries, relative decline with end of empires and end of neo-liberalism, high immigration and refugees from an increasingly unstable but connected world, and voters who are angry for multitude of reasons...aging populations and states struggling to carry on with their current systems with a big dollop of social media bollocks. We'll probably do same as elsewhere, the centre/left will get kicked out by populist right...and when they fail we'll lose a bit of liberty and a bit of democracy and become a bit more authoritarian.

 

Or Starmer will deliver and we're good.

[kaosmark2]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah well you're not the norm.

Two child cap is popular, making a universal benefit for pensioners means tested is super unpopular.

 

Bigger picture is we're going through similar sh*t to other western countries, relative decline with end of empires and end of neo-liberalism, high immigration and refugees from an increasingly unstable but connected world, and voters who are angry for multitude of reasons...aging populations and states struggling to carry on with their current systems with a big dollop of social media bollocks. We'll probably do same as elsewhere, the centre/left will get kicked out by populist right...and when they fail we'll lose a bit of liberty and a bit of democracy and become a bit more authoritarian.

 

Or Starmer will deliver and we're good.

Oh I get it. I completely understand why they're unpopular - albeit the Farmer's IHT rise being unpopular is people being stupid. It's just the nature of social attitudes around who it's acceptable to give things to and take things away from.

[pink_triangle]

5 hours ago, lost said:

Now thats a poll!

 

 

I think there is a decent chance Labour would still have the most seats with the conservatives/reform vote split like that.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think there is a decent chance Labour would still have the most seats with the conservatives/reform vote split like that.

Labour governing when they came 3rd would be unsustainable.

If that actually happened it would have to be a Tory/Reform coalition, and if they didn't get enough seats then probably another election.

Anyway, bit silly looking at polls this early in the parliament, by 2028 Bojo will be back.

[mattiloy]

13 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

I think there is a decent chance Labour would still have the most seats with the conservatives/reform vote split like that.

Nope. It’d be a very funny election indeed.

[Crazyfool01]

2 hours ago, lost said:

Probably why the renewable energy pledge has been watered down from the manifesto. From 100% by 2030 to 95% now.

Hinkley point wont be finished  .... guarantee more delays on that 

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Nope. It’d be a very funny election indeed.

Wow, even worse than 2019

[steviewevie]

The left holding onto hope that Labour get hammered at next election as some sort of win for them shows why they never win power the navel gazing f**kwits...only they way they get it is by force. So, maybe there will be a revolution in the 2030s when we're all fighting over what ever is left.

[mattiloy]

6 hours ago, lost said:

Probably not the survey they wanted to see:

 

 

 

Employer will stand for a 900 quid rise on a median earner on 33,000.

 

Its about 3%.

 

The labour cost is then always a fraction of total cost base. Ofc it varies massively but lets call it around about a half on average.

 

So you’re talking about a 1.5% increase in the cost base.

 

The greater the concentration of the market share (Ie monopoly power) the easier it will be to pass it on in prices. But for the most part competition will suppress the ability to transmit the full effect to consumers. So netto we’re talking about a limited impact. But ofc if you ask a load of business owners if they fancy rattling their sabres over it, i guess they will. And they obviously have.

[lost]

2 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

The greater the concentration of the market share (Ie monopoly power) the easier it will be to pass it on in prices. But for the most part competition will suppress the ability to transmit the full effect to consumers. So netto we’re talking about a limited impact. But ofc if you ask a load of business owners if they fancy rattling their sabres over it, i guess they will. And they obviously have.

 

I went for a hair cut today and it had gone up 15% so it seems some business are passing it on.

[mattiloy]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Wow, even worse than 2019

 

Yeh, they’d have to be a bunch of lying hypocrits or something to not try to owen smith him at this point.

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, lost said:

 

I went for a hair cut today and it had gone up 15% so it seems some business are passing it on.

Doesn't kick in till next April.