Paul Currie cancelled by glastonbury

[gigpusher]

3 minutes ago, Memory Man said:

I doubt we will ever find out why but it appears that it can only really be to do with soho theatre and the mainstream media and trying to cancel him without all of the facts.

 

what else could it be?

 

At the end of the day he has completed at least 60-70

shows without incident at the festival. So what is their problem all of a sudden?

 

It could just be that when people don't agree with his views he tells them to f**k off. Theatre and Circus fields are the most family area of the festival. They possibly don't want acts who could cause trouble especially as in this day and age if he seems to be a target who can be wound up to cause a controversy someone would undoubtedly try and do that.

[Nuthugger]

3 minutes ago, Memory Man said:

I doubt we will ever find out why but it appears that it can only really be to do with soho theatre and the mainstream media and trying to cancel him without all of the facts.

 

what else could it be?

 

At the end of the day he has completed at least 60-70

shows without incident at the festival. So what is their problem all of a sudden?

 

i was on a glasto volunteer facebook page a few months back trying to find some work there. there were some ladies on there saying how theyd been working there 15 years but had just had an email saying they werent going to be asked back. sometimes they just dont want you and its harsh but just one of those things. im sure there are other acts who didnt say anything that might be deemed controversial who are in the same position.

[Memory Man]

I think thats a fair point.

 

conversely he has done loads of great shows for audiences of all ages for over a decade

 

its their choice but glastonbury will be a duller place without him

 

(that was in reply to gigpusher)

Edited April 22 by Memory Man

[Memory Man]

2 minutes ago, Nuthugger said:

i was on a glasto volunteer facebook page a few months back trying to find some work there. there were some ladies on there saying how theyd been working there 15 years but had just had an email saying they werent going to be asked back. sometimes they just dont want you and its harsh but just one of those things. im sure there are other acts who didnt say anything that might be deemed controversial who are in the same position.

It is possible

 

it feels unlikely to me but is a possibility

[Agis]

4 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

It could just be that when people don't agree with his views he tells them to f**k off. Theatre and Circus fields are the most family area of the festival. They possibly don't want acts who could cause trouble especially as in this day and age if he seems to be a target who can be wound up to cause a controversy someone would undoubtedly try and do that.

 

I think its probably this. If Glastonbury is welcoming IDLES and Bob Vylan who usually wave Palestinian Flags and lead there crowd in "Free Palestine" chants then I don't think Paul Currie's mime Ukraine/Palestine flag act is going to worry them. 

[DeanoL]

While the ongoing joke is that T&C book the same acts every year, hence him having done every festival for 13 years, they actually *do* rotate acts out, albeit very slowly. You have folks like Mitch Benn, John Otway, Atilla The Stockbroker, Woody Bop Muddy... they were all doing multiple shows every year, until they weren't. 

It's entirely possible that he's just not been booked this year and it has nothing to do with this at all.

[Nuthugger]

2 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

While the ongoing joke is that T&C book the same acts every year, hence him having done every festival for 13 years, they actually *do* rotate acts out, albeit very slowly. You have folks like Mitch Benn, John Otway, Atilla The Stockbroker, Woody Bop Muddy... they were all doing multiple shows every year, until they weren't. 

It's entirely possible that he's just not been booked this year and it has nothing to do with this at all.

what this guy said

[DeanoL]

22 hours ago, assorted said:

 

It would certainly make me more comfortable if you did, as so much of the “peace” coalition has people who very much support Hamas, and who very much do not care about what happens to the Jews of Israel, and who are very much anti-Semitic. So, yes, mentioning you support Israel’s right to exist, that you are against Hamas, that you are not for the murder of Jews living in Israel, yes I would personally appreciate that. (But with your use of the phrase, “open air prison,” I won’t hold my breath.)

 

I understand why you would feel more comfortable with that but the reality is that's not how it works. You can see that clearly from the fact that it doesn't cut both ways. There are many Israelis who don't care at all about what happens to the people of Palestine, and are very much Islamophobic. 

Yet in the immediate aftermath of 7 October, very few people were saying "this is a travesty, but we need to acknowledge Palestine deserves to exist and Gaza has been treated very badly by Israel." And those that did were (rightly I think at that point) called out, it really not being the time.

Because generally, most people who just don't want people dying, will deal with the immediate tragedy in front of them. Right now, that's the genocide happening in Gaza. On 7 October, it was the terrorist attack in Israel. That people want these things to stop, or are reacting to them, doesn't mean they don't acknowledge the overall situation is more complicated than that.

 

(And there will also be people there who absolutely don't believe in Israel's right to exist, and that doesn't mean they hate Jewish people either)

[DeanoL]

2 hours ago, Memory Man said:

I doubt we will ever find out why but it appears that it can only really be to do with soho theatre and the mainstream media and trying to cancel him without all of the facts.

 

what else could it be?

 

At the end of the day he has completed at least 60-70

shows without incident at the festival. So what is their problem all of a sudden?

 

At one point I ran a weekly comedy show and we had a bunch of acts that were regulars trying out new stuff, often multiple weeks in a row. 

I'd got myself in a mess and accidentally booked far too many people for the show the following week. One of the acts was also on that night, and I figured I'd just have a chat with him that night after the show and ask if he minded dropping out.

 

He went up to do his set, and got into a big argument with someone in the crowd about if his material was misogynistic or not. I don't think it was, but the gig went a bit weird, some people left...

 

So now I'm in this position, where I'm overbooked for the next week, and need to ask him to drop out, and had planned to all along... except now there's no way in a million years he'll believe it's just because I'm overbooked and not because of what had happened that night. I'm sure he still believe that to this day. But it was entirely genuine on my part.

[Nobby's Old Boots]

He clearly hasn't been 'cancelled' because he waved the flag. The crowdfunder link is so biased it's beyond belief, including proof of the incident being a video of... him waving the flag... and NOT the incident.

 

If it's related to why he hasn't been invited back to Glastonbury then it isn't because he waved the flag, that's a very disingenuous statement and deliberately trying to stir up a certain response. It will obviously be because of his reaction where he shouted at a Jewish man and hounded him to leave his show for not agreeing with him waving the flag. Maybe they've decided that at an incredibly devisive and sensitive time, this isn't the kind of behaviour they want to encourage at the festival?

[Blisterpack]

1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

(And there will also be people there who absolutely don't believe in Israel's right to exist, and that doesn't mean they hate Jewish people either)

Given that nearly half of the Jews in the world actually LIVE in Israel, then that is a bit of a stretch…..

[gigpusher]

9 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Given that nearly half of the Jews in the world actually LIVE in Israel, then that is a bit of a stretch…..

You can be opposed to a religious state country without wanting all people of that religion to die.

I mean I wish religion didn't exist at all but still don't think anyone should be killed for their religion so it's possible to believe things that may seem fundamentally opposed.

 

 

[Blisterpack]

3 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

You can be opposed to a religious state country without wanting all people of that religion to die.

I mean I wish religion didn't exist at all but still don't think anyone should be killed for their religion so it's possible to believe things that may seem fundamentally opposed.

 

 

Israel is constitutionally secular, not religious. It was a postwar haven for jewish atheists  and communists/socialists who were vulnerable from all sides. The left supported them for decades, save for a few on the hard left who promoted the globalist banking elite tropes. Unfortunately they have found a mainstream audience now. Israel’s neighbours are religious states. 

[DeanoL]

10 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Given that nearly half of the Jews in the world actually LIVE in Israel, then that is a bit of a stretch…..

Not really. Plenty of Irish Unionist believe Northern Ireland has no right to exist and want it abolished. The vast, vast majority of them don't hate everyone that lives in Northern Ireland.

You can disagree with the political basis of a country without wishing ill on the inhabitants.

[DeanoL]

6 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Israel is constitutionally secular, not religious. It was a postwar haven for jewish atheists  and communists/socialists who were vulnerable from all sides. 

Jewish atheists maybe. Jewish Christians, Jewish Muslims, Jewish Hindus, not at all. The law of return doesn't apply to cultural Jews who have converted to another religion.

So it's really not fair to present it as entirely secular.

[Blisterpack]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

Not really. Plenty of Irish Unionist believe Northern Ireland has no right to exist and want it abolished. The vast, vast majority of them don't hate everyone that lives in Northern Ireland.

You can disagree with the political basis of a country without wishing ill on the inhabitants.

It’s not a matter of ‘hating’ them. Israel is an established nation and has been for decades. There are younger nations throughout the world. Borders change, countries emerge, disappear and sometimes re-appear. The current succour being provided by many (not all) on the left to the surrounding Theocracies, most anti women and anti LBBTQ+, is so hard to understand. Israel was the first country in the world to abolish anti gay laws and to legalise abortion. Hamas would reverse both if Israel ‘ceased to exist’. 

[gigpusher]

10 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

Israel is constitutionally secular, not religious. It was a postwar haven for jewish atheists  and communists/socialists who were vulnerable from all sides. The left supported them for decades, save for a few on the hard left who promoted the globalist banking elite tropes. Unfortunately they have found a mainstream audience now. Israel’s neighbours are religious states. 

 

5 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Not really. Plenty of Irish Unionist believe Northern Ireland has no right to exist and want it abolished. The vast, vast majority of them don't hate everyone that lives in Northern Ireland.

You can disagree with the political basis of a country without wishing ill on the inhabitants.

In the same way that lots of Irish nationalists didn't want British army living in their country but not all of them are terrorists who wanted to kill them.

 

I think what I am trying to say is that people can have very complex and nuanced views on things. You can object to people being given land and people being displaced by the giving of that land without even blaming those who eventually ended up being recipients of the land.

[Blisterpack]

6 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Jewish atheists maybe. Jewish Christians, Jewish Muslims, Jewish Hindus, not at all. The law of return doesn't apply to cultural Jews who have converted to another religion.

So it's really not fair to present it as entirely secular.

About 20% of Israel is Arab. That figure is generally represented in civil society and the professions. Most recent polling shows that they would not consider giving up their Israeli citizenship. 

[Memory Man]

I think this debate has got a bit out of hand now and should probably be reigned in a bit

 

Perhaps the thread should be brought to a close, will leave that to the mods.

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, Memory Man said:

I think this debate has got a bit out of hand now and should probably be reigned in a bit

 

Perhaps the thread should be brought to a close, will leave that to the mods.

more than happy to do that . Dont want to shut down speech though so unless anyone objects in next couple of hours ill do that 

[DeanoL]

27 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

About 20% of Israel is Arab. That figure is generally represented in civil society and the professions. Most recent polling shows that they would not consider giving up their Israeli citizenship. 

That's great.

My point is you're saying Israel is a secular haven for all cultural Jews, and has nothing to do with the Jewish religion. But that's not the case. If you were culturally Jewish and changed to another religion (rather than just became an atheist) you're explicitly prevented from obtaining Israeli citizenship.

https://lawoffice.org.il/en/moving-to-israel/

[DeanoL]

4 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

more than happy to do that . Dont want to shut down speech though so unless anyone objects in next couple of hours ill do that 

I don't think anyone is getting angry or upset here, just people having a calm discussion on things.

I'd agree that there's potential for it go bad, in the same way I get nervous in real life where anyone I don't know too well brings up the whole Israel/Gaza situation, but it's not happened yet.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, DeanoL said:

I don't think anyone is getting angry or upset here, just people having a calm discussion on things.

I'd agree that there's potential for it go bad, in the same way I get nervous in real life where anyone I don't know too well brings up the whole Israel/Gaza situation, but it's not happened yet.

agree its calm but has the potential not to be and has the potential to be challenging for mods . the closing suggestion has come from OP so is one to be considered 

[Blisterpack]

1 minute ago, DeanoL said:

That's great.

My point is you're saying Israel is a secular haven for all cultural Jews, and has nothing to do with the Jewish religion. But that's not the case. If you were culturally Jewish and changed to another religion (rather than just became an atheist) you're explicitly prevented from obtaining Israeli citizenship.

https://lawoffice.org.il/en/moving-to-israel/

I think the broader point is that Israel embraces socially liberal principles that should be valued and respected and the millions of people who benefit from that (LGBTQ+ and women) would be at significant risk if Israel ceased to exist. The non- Jihadist amongst the world’s population should at least be fighting for them surely….?

[Isaact]

17 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

I think the broader point is that Israel embraces socially liberal principles that should be valued and respected and the millions of people who benefit from that (LGBTQ+ and women) would be at significant risk if Israel ceased to exist. The non- Jihadist amongst the world’s population should at least be fighting for them surely….?

 

I think it's quite distasteful to posit a moral argument based on LGBTQ+ and women's rights in a country that essentially functions as an apartheid state, with 'non-citizens' who are frequently murdered, have their land stolen, and their houses destroyed.

 

But that's as far as I'll go really, clearly you don't see it as apartheid and so we probably won't ever agree.

 

What I will say is the reason that I referenced the West Bank in my last post is that Hamas don't even exist there, and yet you still see innocent Palestinians murdered, their houses destroyed, and their land stolen on literally a daily basis.

Edited April 22 by Isaact