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charlierc

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  On 1/12/2025 at 4:09 PM, pink_triangle said:

I think those criticising Tamworth are a little naive in terms of how difficult it is to make money when you are a lower league/non league with small attendances. If we are talking about mean I would put more blame on the greedy EPL teams who have stolen a well earned replay from them.

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When Aldershot hosted Man Utd in the League Cup a few years back, the only way you could buy a ticket was by getting a ticket for our following home league match at the same time.

 

So, £34 (regular price was £17 at the time) to guarantee your place at the big match and then another match if you so wanted. Feels like Tamworth could have done something like that?

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  On 1/14/2025 at 4:13 PM, Skip997 said:

Maybe the new manager is a genius after all. To get those results with that squad is impressive. 
 

 

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Not really, there a cup team that can raise it in the big games. Away to Liverpool, city and arsenal undefeated. Then lose to Wolves, Bournemouth and Newcastle convincingly. 

 

 

 

 

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Does today's news of no PSR deductions for anyone kill the "ten points for Everton" meme I see on Reddit or Instagram comments?

 

I will say that it also seems to validate the idea we now have a PSR deadline day given the antics of the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Leicester and indeed ourselves at the Toon. Hence how apparently we had to sell Forest a great prospect in Anderson and took their unwanted keeper Vlachodimos.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 7:20 PM, charlierc said:

Does today's news of no PSR deductions for anyone kill the "ten points for Everton" meme I see on Reddit or Instagram comments?

 

I will say that it also seems to validate the idea we now have a PSR deadline day given the antics of the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Leicester and indeed ourselves at the Toon. Hence how apparently we had to sell Forest a great prospect in Anderson and took their unwanted keeper Vlachodimos.

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Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, completely changed there squad. 1 season they spent big, with not going out. Other than that, there net spend is very good. 

 

Reminds me off Liverpool when there net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for there 1 title win. 

 

No coincidence rumours and sales at utd are youth products. With the likes of Mctominay, Rashford and Mainoo. 

 

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  On 1/14/2025 at 7:49 PM, thetime said:

 

Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, completely changed there squad. 1 season they spent big, with not going out. Other than that, there net spend is very good. 

 

Reminds me off Liverpool when there net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for there 1 title win. 

 

No coincidence rumours and sales at utd are youth products. With the likes of Mctominay, Rashford and Mainoo. 

 

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This seems like the way people will be doing things tbf. A few people aren't exactly thrilled at the economic idea that academies are now becoming more cash cows to help meet PSR, although one could argue twas ever thus and this is just solidifying a trend that had been going on for a little while.

 

At the very least it means Newcastle have work to do given our historically bad academy-to-first-team pipeline.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 8:09 PM, charlierc said:

This seems like the way people will be doing things tbf. A few people aren't exactly thrilled at the economic idea that academies are now becoming more cash cows to help meet PSR, although one could argue twas ever thus and this is just solidifying a trend that had been going on for a little while.

 

At the very least it means Newcastle have work to do given our historically bad academy-to-first-team pipeline.

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Newcastle got to the party 5-10 years to late. We discussed quite extensively at the takeover, how difficult it would be for Newcastle to do a City/Chelsea. 

 

Nothing has changed on that front. Doing better than the Ashley regime, I don't see Newcastle breaking into the top 2/3 on a consistent level. 

 

 

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  On 1/14/2025 at 8:20 PM, thetime said:

 

Newcastle got to the party 5-10 years to late. We discussed quite extensively at the takeover, how difficult it would be for Newcastle to do a City/Chelsea. 

 

Nothing has changed on that front. Doing better than the Ashley regime, I don't see Newcastle breaking into the top 2/3 on a consistent level. 

 

 

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Oh I was referring more to this annoyed feeling that Forest pulled our pants down with the Anderson & Vlachodimos stuff. I mean, if it helped us avoid a 10 point deduction that some club insiders claim we were skating close too, that's one thing.

 

I think consistently challenging for the top 6 at this phase is a good start, which we seem to be doing - 4th in 22/23, narrowly missed out on top 6 last season, currently in the fight. It's about building it up brick by boring brick imo, which might be easier said than done but heyho.

 

Generally though this seems to have been a thing. It didn't escape people's notice that Everton, Villa and Chelsea seemed to spend a decent chunk of June buying one another's youth prospects.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 9:04 PM, Skip997 said:

So is Slot nowhere near what he at first appeared? Is this the end of a long “new manager bounce”? 
 

Liverpool have been dreadful for a good few weeks. 

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It's probably a mix of things. Plausible that the "last dance" stuff I've seen claimed where Alexander-Arnold, van Dijk and Salah are all simultaneously out of contract is causing anxiety over their futures, could be that the lack of an out-and-out holding midfielder is catching up with them, could be a reflection of Trent & Andy Robertson's awkward seasons leading to more goals or could just be that Liverpool have been playing a cluster of difficult games one after another.

 

Forest should get a little credit. The underlying data hints they should be doing a lot worse than they are but they've been bloody effective, as is currently being seen with this game.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 9:23 PM, charlierc said:

could be a reflection of Trent & Andy Robertson's awkward seasons 

 

Forest should get a little credit. The underlying data hints they should be doing a lot worse than they are but they've been bloody effective, as is currently being seen with this game.

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Robertson is finished at the top level. Trent’s “head is the shed”. VVD and Salah are fine. 
 

Re Forest, reluctantly yes. I say reluctantly as I’m not lover of teams happy to let the opposition have 70% possession, but I’d rather them get second than one else 

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  On 1/14/2025 at 9:34 PM, Skip997 said:

Robertson is finished at the top level. Trent’s “head is the shed”. VVD and Salah are fine. 
 

Re Forest, reluctantly yes. I say reluctantly as I’m not lover of teams happy to let the opposition have 70% possession, but I’d rather them get second than one else 

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Salah doesn't turn up, no party. 

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  On 1/14/2025 at 9:34 PM, Skip997 said:

Re Forest, reluctantly yes. I say reluctantly as I’m not lover of teams happy to let the opposition have 70% possession, but I’d rather them get second than one else 

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As a Mag I'm finding it wild to see Matz Sels' redemption arc. He was signed as a then-club record goalkeeper by Newcastle in 2016, had an awkward 2 months in the Championship, fell behind Karl Darlow and was just brushed off as ill-suited to the English game. Yet since signing for Forest, he's been a revelation and I gather has made a few great saves tonight as well.

 

If nothing else, a draw for Liverpool maintains a six point gap with a game in hand and with Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City all misfiring, it's still ball in the red court. It's fair to be concerned at this recent slippy patch, but the longer y'all avoid defeat, the less margin for error there is for anyone else to catch up.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 9:57 PM, charlierc said:

As a Mag I'm finding it wild to see Matz Sels' redemption arc. He was signed as a then-club record goalkeeper by Newcastle in 2016, had an awkward 2 months in the Championship, fell behind Karl Darlow and was just brushed off as ill-suited to the English game. Yet since signing for Forest, he's been a revelation and I gather has made a few great saves tonight as well.

 

If nothing else, a draw for Liverpool maintains a six point gap with a game in hand and with Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City all misfiring, it's still ball in the red court. It's fair to be concerned at this recent slippy patch, but the longer y'all avoid defeat, the less margin for error there is for anyone else to catch up.

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We will all see what slots got now, living off klopp's coat tails until now. They should be walking the league really with city's dodgy season. Quality wise it's quite an average league this season, only Liverpool showing consistency. 

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  On 1/14/2025 at 10:06 PM, kaosmark2 said:

Sell your hotels to yourself and your women's team to another company owned by the same company, got it.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 10:08 PM, thetime said:

 

Newcastle should follow the lead, do they have posh hotels up north? 

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Think we'd need to build one to be able sell back to ourselves first.

 

Admittedly most of the area around SJP is student housing as far as I recall so that might be another bit of planning permission to overcome first.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 10:08 PM, thetime said:

Newcastle should follow the lead, do they have posh hotels up north? 

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I imagine one will be built by the Saudis under infrastructure spending as part of the stadium revamp/renewal/expansion/new one or whatever. I think infrastructure building doesn't count against PSR, so I certainly assume so, and I imagine they'll attempt the same trick as Chelsea. No delusion that we'll be any better if we can get away with it.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 10:09 PM, charlierc said:

Think we'd need to build one to be able sell back to ourselves first.

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I imagine that after this ruling about Chelsea that every new owner wanting to pump money in will do so. It'll happen with us, it'll happen at Everton, probably Liverpool. Spurs will sell some attached building/land to their stadium in a similar way. etc etc.

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  On 1/14/2025 at 10:10 PM, kaosmark2 said:

 

I imagine one will be built by the Saudis under infrastructure spending as part of the stadium revamp/renewal/expansion/new one or whatever. I think infrastructure building doesn't count against PSR, so I certainly assume so, and I imagine they'll attempt the same trick as Chelsea. No delusion that we'll be any better if we can get away with it.

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Hmm Sir John Hall and sons knew that trick...Cough Cough. 

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