Ryan1984 Posted January 12 Report Share Posted January 12 On 1/12/2025 at 4:09 PM, pink_triangle said: I think those criticising Tamworth are a little naive in terms of how difficult it is to make money when you are a lower league/non league with small attendances. If we are talking about mean I would put more blame on the greedy EPL teams who have stolen a well earned replay from them. Expand When Aldershot hosted Man Utd in the League Cup a few years back, the only way you could buy a ticket was by getting a ticket for our following home league match at the same time. So, £34 (regular price was £17 at the time) to guarantee your place at the big match and then another match if you so wanted. Feels like Tamworth could have done something like that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2025 at 6:18 PM, thetime said: Lots of encouragement in the last few weeks for utd. Going to city, Liverpool and Arsenal undefeated. Expand Maybe the new manager is a genius after all. To get those results with that squad is impressive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 4:13 PM, Skip997 said: Maybe the new manager is a genius after all. To get those results with that squad is impressive. Expand Not really, there a cup team that can raise it in the big games. Away to Liverpool, city and arsenal undefeated. Then lose to Wolves, Bournemouth and Newcastle convincingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 Does today's news of no PSR deductions for anyone kill the "ten points for Everton" meme I see on Reddit or Instagram comments? I will say that it also seems to validate the idea we now have a PSR deadline day given the antics of the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Leicester and indeed ourselves at the Toon. Hence how apparently we had to sell Forest a great prospect in Anderson and took their unwanted keeper Vlachodimos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) On 1/14/2025 at 7:20 PM, charlierc said: Does today's news of no PSR deductions for anyone kill the "ten points for Everton" meme I see on Reddit or Instagram comments? I will say that it also seems to validate the idea we now have a PSR deadline day given the antics of the likes of Chelsea, Everton, Villa, Leicester and indeed ourselves at the Toon. Hence how apparently we had to sell Forest a great prospect in Anderson and took their unwanted keeper Vlachodimos. Expand Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, completely changed there squad. 1 season they spent big, with not going out. Other than that, there net spend is very good. Reminds me off Liverpool when there net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for there 1 title win. No coincidence rumours and sales at utd are youth products. With the likes of Mctominay, Rashford and Mainoo. Edited January 14 by thetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 does lee hendrie ever get mis-identified as robbie williams? 😛 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 7:49 PM, thetime said: Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, completely changed there squad. 1 season they spent big, with not going out. Other than that, there net spend is very good. Reminds me off Liverpool when there net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for there 1 title win. No coincidence rumours and sales at utd are youth products. With the likes of Mctominay, Rashford and Mainoo. Expand This seems like the way people will be doing things tbf. A few people aren't exactly thrilled at the economic idea that academies are now becoming more cash cows to help meet PSR, although one could argue twas ever thus and this is just solidifying a trend that had been going on for a little while. At the very least it means Newcastle have work to do given our historically bad academy-to-first-team pipeline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 8:09 PM, charlierc said: This seems like the way people will be doing things tbf. A few people aren't exactly thrilled at the economic idea that academies are now becoming more cash cows to help meet PSR, although one could argue twas ever thus and this is just solidifying a trend that had been going on for a little while. At the very least it means Newcastle have work to do given our historically bad academy-to-first-team pipeline. Expand Newcastle got to the party 5-10 years to late. We discussed quite extensively at the takeover, how difficult it would be for Newcastle to do a City/Chelsea. Nothing has changed on that front. Doing better than the Ashley regime, I don't see Newcastle breaking into the top 2/3 on a consistent level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 So is Slot nowhere near what he at first appeared? Is this the end of a long “new manager bounce”? Liverpool have been dreadful for a good few weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 (edited) On 1/14/2025 at 8:20 PM, thetime said: Newcastle got to the party 5-10 years to late. We discussed quite extensively at the takeover, how difficult it would be for Newcastle to do a City/Chelsea. Nothing has changed on that front. Doing better than the Ashley regime, I don't see Newcastle breaking into the top 2/3 on a consistent level. Expand Oh I was referring more to this annoyed feeling that Forest pulled our pants down with the Anderson & Vlachodimos stuff. I mean, if it helped us avoid a 10 point deduction that some club insiders claim we were skating close too, that's one thing. I think consistently challenging for the top 6 at this phase is a good start, which we seem to be doing - 4th in 22/23, narrowly missed out on top 6 last season, currently in the fight. It's about building it up brick by boring brick imo, which might be easier said than done but heyho. Generally though this seems to have been a thing. It didn't escape people's notice that Everton, Villa and Chelsea seemed to spend a decent chunk of June buying one another's youth prospects. Edited January 14 by charlierc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted January 14 Author Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 9:04 PM, Skip997 said: So is Slot nowhere near what he at first appeared? Is this the end of a long “new manager bounce”? Liverpool have been dreadful for a good few weeks. Expand It's probably a mix of things. Plausible that the "last dance" stuff I've seen claimed where Alexander-Arnold, van Dijk and Salah are all simultaneously out of contract is causing anxiety over their futures, could be that the lack of an out-and-out holding midfielder is catching up with them, could be a reflection of Trent & Andy Robertson's awkward seasons leading to more goals or could just be that Liverpool have been playing a cluster of difficult games one after another. Forest should get a little credit. The underlying data hints they should be doing a lot worse than they are but they've been bloody effective, as is currently being seen with this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted January 14 Report Share Posted January 14 On 1/14/2025 at 9:23 PM, charlierc said: could be a reflection of Trent & Andy Robertson's awkward seasons Forest should get a little credit. The underlying data hints they should be doing a lot worse than they are but they've been bloody effective, as is currently being seen with this game. Expand Robertson is finished at the top level. Trent’s “head is the shed”. VVD and Salah are fine. Re Forest, reluctantly yes. I say reluctantly as I’m not lover of teams happy to let the opposition have 70% possession, but I’d rather them get second than one else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted Tuesday at 09:38 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 09:38 PM On 1/14/2025 at 9:34 PM, Skip997 said: Robertson is finished at the top level. Trent’s “head is the shed”. VVD and Salah are fine. Re Forest, reluctantly yes. I say reluctantly as I’m not lover of teams happy to let the opposition have 70% possession, but I’d rather them get second than one else Expand Salah doesn't turn up, no party. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted Tuesday at 09:57 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 09:57 PM On 1/14/2025 at 9:34 PM, Skip997 said: Re Forest, reluctantly yes. I say reluctantly as I’m not lover of teams happy to let the opposition have 70% possession, but I’d rather them get second than one else Expand As a Mag I'm finding it wild to see Matz Sels' redemption arc. He was signed as a then-club record goalkeeper by Newcastle in 2016, had an awkward 2 months in the Championship, fell behind Karl Darlow and was just brushed off as ill-suited to the English game. Yet since signing for Forest, he's been a revelation and I gather has made a few great saves tonight as well. If nothing else, a draw for Liverpool maintains a six point gap with a game in hand and with Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City all misfiring, it's still ball in the red court. It's fair to be concerned at this recent slippy patch, but the longer y'all avoid defeat, the less margin for error there is for anyone else to catch up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted Tuesday at 10:06 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:06 PM On 1/14/2025 at 7:49 PM, thetime said: Chelsea have nailed it on PSR, Expand Sell your hotels to yourself and your women's team to another company owned by the same company, got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted Tuesday at 10:06 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:06 PM On 1/14/2025 at 9:57 PM, charlierc said: As a Mag I'm finding it wild to see Matz Sels' redemption arc. He was signed as a then-club record goalkeeper by Newcastle in 2016, had an awkward 2 months in the Championship, fell behind Karl Darlow and was just brushed off as ill-suited to the English game. Yet since signing for Forest, he's been a revelation and I gather has made a few great saves tonight as well. If nothing else, a draw for Liverpool maintains a six point gap with a game in hand and with Arsenal, Chelsea and Man City all misfiring, it's still ball in the red court. It's fair to be concerned at this recent slippy patch, but the longer y'all avoid defeat, the less margin for error there is for anyone else to catch up. Expand We will all see what slots got now, living off klopp's coat tails until now. They should be walking the league really with city's dodgy season. Quality wise it's quite an average league this season, only Liverpool showing consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted Tuesday at 10:08 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:08 PM On 1/14/2025 at 10:06 PM, kaosmark2 said: Sell your hotels to yourself and your women's team to another company owned by the same company, got it. Expand Newcastle should follow the lead, do they have posh hotels up north? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlierc Posted Tuesday at 10:09 PM Author Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:09 PM (edited) On 1/14/2025 at 10:06 PM, kaosmark2 said: Sell your hotels to yourself and your women's team to another company owned by the same company, got it. Expand On 1/14/2025 at 10:08 PM, thetime said: Newcastle should follow the lead, do they have posh hotels up north? Expand Think we'd need to build one to be able sell back to ourselves first. Admittedly most of the area around SJP is student housing as far as I recall so that might be another bit of planning permission to overcome first. Edited Tuesday at 10:10 PM by charlierc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted Tuesday at 10:10 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:10 PM On 1/14/2025 at 10:08 PM, thetime said: Newcastle should follow the lead, do they have posh hotels up north? Expand I imagine one will be built by the Saudis under infrastructure spending as part of the stadium revamp/renewal/expansion/new one or whatever. I think infrastructure building doesn't count against PSR, so I certainly assume so, and I imagine they'll attempt the same trick as Chelsea. No delusion that we'll be any better if we can get away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted Tuesday at 10:12 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:12 PM On 1/14/2025 at 10:09 PM, charlierc said: Think we'd need to build one to be able sell back to ourselves first. Expand I imagine that after this ruling about Chelsea that every new owner wanting to pump money in will do so. It'll happen with us, it'll happen at Everton, probably Liverpool. Spurs will sell some attached building/land to their stadium in a similar way. etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted Tuesday at 10:12 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:12 PM (edited) On 1/14/2025 at 10:10 PM, kaosmark2 said: I imagine one will be built by the Saudis under infrastructure spending as part of the stadium revamp/renewal/expansion/new one or whatever. I think infrastructure building doesn't count against PSR, so I certainly assume so, and I imagine they'll attempt the same trick as Chelsea. No delusion that we'll be any better if we can get away with it. Expand Hmm Sir John Hall and sons knew that trick...Cough Cough. Edited Tuesday at 10:12 PM by thetime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted Tuesday at 10:14 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:14 PM On 1/14/2025 at 10:06 PM, thetime said: living off klopp's coat tails Expand Most self-congratulating losers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted Tuesday at 10:16 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:16 PM On 1/14/2025 at 10:14 PM, kaosmark2 said: Most self-congratulating losers? Expand Didn't klop say if they won league, he got back to celebrate with the team? f**king narcissist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skip997 Posted Tuesday at 10:38 PM Report Share Posted Tuesday at 10:38 PM On 1/14/2025 at 7:49 PM, thetime said: Reminds me of Liverpool when their net spend was very good(coutinho), whilst building for their 1 title win. Expand 19th title win Regardless of what nonsense folks try to come up with Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted Wednesday at 07:10 AM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 07:10 AM On 1/14/2025 at 10:38 PM, Skip997 said: 19th title win Regardless of what nonsense folks try to come up with Expand * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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