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Not a bad result last night, all things considered. Liverpool much better in the 2nd half but Forrest defended really well, not many teams will come away from there with points if they keep on playing like they did last night.

 

Six points clear, seven clear of the nearest to have played the same games, top of the Champions Leage table and in both cups. Which team wouldn't want that?

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  On 1/14/2025 at 10:12 PM, thetime said:

 

Hmm Sir John Hall and sons knew that trick...Cough Cough. 

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I thought the main trick he knew was making it look like he put more money in than he really did.

 

That and being a backer of increasingly further right political views given his backing for Robert Jenrick in last year's Tory leadership contest.

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  On 1/15/2025 at 6:46 PM, charlierc said:

I thought the main trick he knew was making it look like he put more money in than he really did.

 

That and being a backer of increasingly further right political views given his backing for Robert Jenrick in last year's Tory leadership contest.

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Is he unpopular at Newcastle?

 

Thought would be the opposite, got things moving during the time you should of won the league and an FA Cup final. Got you Keegan, Shearer, Asprilla, Ginola, Ferdinand and the likes. 

 

Which is perhaps your best era in any of our lifetimes. 

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  On 1/15/2025 at 7:22 PM, thetime said:

 

Is he unpopular at Newcastle?

 

Thought would be the opposite, got things moving during the time you should of won the league and an FA Cup final. Got you Keegan, Shearer, Asprilla, Ginola, Ferdinand and the likes. 

 

Which is perhaps your best era in any of our lifetimes. 

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Mixed feelings imo. Of course there will be a respect from some given he took over a club going nowhere under a deeply unpopular board in what's now the Championship and at risk of going out of business in the late 80s/early 90s to a genuine Premier League power player, one that should really have won a league title, as well as reaching 2 FA Cup finals in the late 90s and reaching the Champions League again in the early 2000s under Bobby Robson, attracted a lot of big name players and modernised St James' Park twice over to its current capacity.

 

Where it gets more complex is that a lot of his finance was put in from loans and when the club was floated as a PLC in the mid-90s, it was used to pay them back, mostly through fans who brought the shares whose value plummeted. Picking a fight with fans over stadium seats, raising ticket/shirt prices, having his son slag off the fans in the infamous Fake Sheikh debacle, the club being in a bad way financially in 2007 when Hall cashed out and the like didn't help.

 

I think it looks better now than it did both for the fact the 90s were such an iconic time in Newcastle's history and the Mike Ashley era that followed was a slog.

 

I like this video from just before the Saudi takeover went through exploring the nuance.

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  On 1/15/2025 at 8:30 PM, charlierc said:

Mixed feelings imo. Of course there will be a respect from some given he took over a club going nowhere under a deeply unpopular board in what's now the Championship and at risk of going out of business in the late 80s/early 90s to a genuine Premier League power player, one that should really have won a league title

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What an amazing year that was. From Hansen with his famous quote, Cantona getting winners every week from Newcastle away. Then culminating in the FA Cup win against the white suits of Liverpool, with Cantona getting the winner. 

 

Great memories. 

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  On 1/15/2025 at 8:30 PM, charlierc said:

Mixed feelings imo. Of course there will be a respect from some given he took over a club going nowhere under a deeply unpopular board in what's now the Championship and at risk of going out of business in the late 80s/early 90s to a genuine Premier League power player, one that should really have won a league title, as well as reaching 2 FA Cup finals in the late 90s and reaching the Champions League again in the early 2000s under Bobby Robson, attracted a lot of big name players and modernised St James' Park twice over to its current capacity.

 

Where it gets more complex is that a lot of his finance was put in from loans and when the club was floated as a PLC in the mid-90s, it was used to pay them back, mostly through fans who brought the shares whose value plummeted. Picking a fight with fans over stadium seats, raising ticket/shirt prices, having his son slag off the fans in the infamous Fake Sheikh debacle, the club being in a bad way financially in 2007 when Hall cashed out and the like didn't help.

 

I think it looks better now than it did both for the fact the 90s were such an iconic time in Newcastle's history and the Mike Ashley era that followed was a slog.

 

I like this video from just before the Saudi takeover went through exploring the nuance.

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Really good summary. It felt positive and he was the owner for the formative memories, but he was doing a lot of financial trickery that f**ked over fans, which is largely only overshadowed because of how bad things got and felt under Ashley.

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On Football Manager games for years, it would have big six clubs in the bottom half in season one or two and I'd dismiss it as unrealistic. Yet here we are with Spurs on a truly abject run leaving them stranded in the bottom half and Man United somehow down in 15th (admittedly they haven't yet played their midweek game and you'd imagine a largely hopeless Southampton will offer no resistance when they meet later).

 

I haven't minded Ange and as I get older, I find myself less enamoured with the idea sacking the manager fixes everything, but it does feel fairly unsustainable with how much Spurs look to be in a mess right now. You'd imagine someday, someone will go somewhere with them and yet here we are.

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  On 1/16/2025 at 12:46 AM, kaosmark2 said:

Really good summary. It felt positive and he was the owner for the formative memories, but he was doing a lot of financial trickery that f**ked over fans, which is largely only overshadowed because of how bad things got and felt under Ashley.

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I think it's easy to forget that many fans were happy to see Hall & Shepherd leave in 2007 given the sense that a lot of negative vibes were building up in the latter year or two of their ownership and a sense they'd been using the club as a cash machine. It's only that we got the wished for new owner and it was Mike Ashley, who didn't exactly improve the feeling around the place.

 

Still, I'm aware football is an ever-changing tapestry. Right now, with a run of 9 wins in a row and Isak being in one of the Premier League era's best ever runs of consecutive games scored in, it's not a bad place to be at all.

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  On 1/16/2025 at 8:51 AM, charlierc said:

On Football Manager games for years, it would have big six clubs in the bottom half in season one or two and I'd dismiss it as unrealistic. Yet here we are with Spurs on a truly abject run leaving them stranded in the bottom half and Man United somehow down in 15th (admittedly they haven't yet played their midweek game and you'd imagine a largely hopeless Southampton will offer no resistance when they meet later).

 

I haven't minded Ange and as I get older, I find myself less enamoured with the idea sacking the manager fixes everything, but it does feel fairly unsustainable with how much Spurs look to be in a mess right now. You'd imagine someday, someone will go somewhere with them and yet here we are.

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Steady on, utd will be in the giddy heights of 12th if we win tonight. 

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  On 1/16/2025 at 8:53 AM, charlierc said:

I think it's easy to forget that many fans were happy to see Hall & Shepherd leave in 2007 given the sense that a lot of negative vibes were building up in the latter year or two of their ownership and a sense they'd been using the club as a cash machine. It's only that we got the wished for new owner and it was Mike Ashley, who didn't exactly improve the feeling around the place.

 

Still, I'm aware football is an ever-changing tapestry. Right now, with a run of 9 wins in a row and Isak being in one of the Premier League era's best ever runs of consecutive games scored in, it's not a bad place to be at all.

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Leagues is ultra competitive this season, a fair few teams could finish in the top 4 or down in the bottom half. No team is running away with it or that impressive. Same with down the bottom. 

 

After 14 games and now.is interesting. 

 

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  On 1/16/2025 at 4:20 PM, thetime said:

 

Leagues is ultra competitive this season, a fair few teams could finish in the top 4 or down in the bottom half. No team is running away with it or that impressive. Same with down the bottom. 

 

After 14 games and now.is interesting. 

 

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It's certainly turning into a more interesting season than it was threatening too tbf. A few weeks back ,it seemed to be settling into a pattern of an easy title win out front and the 3 promoted teams going back down, but a few runs all over the shop have upset the narrative. Which is a good thing as that keeps it interesting.

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  On 1/16/2025 at 11:07 PM, thetime said:

Officials having a mare last couple of days. 

 

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I've pretty much stopped watching football due to the constant rule changes and VAR and I only see games now if its on in the pub normally., I thought I'd give Arsenal vs Man U a go as it was on terrestrial tv and we are never rid of VAR are we? the standard of ref's now when they don't have it appear to have taken another leg down.

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  On 1/17/2025 at 11:33 AM, lost said:

 

I've pretty much stopped watching football due to the constant rule changes and VAR and I only see games now if its on in the pub normally., I thought I'd give Arsenal vs Man U a go as it was on terrestrial tv and we are never rid of VAR are we? the standard of ref's now when they don't have it appear to have taken another leg down.

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FA Cup game didn't have VAR. 

 

I think VAR have calmed down quite a bit this season. 

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  On 1/17/2025 at 11:35 AM, thetime said:

 

FA Cup game didn't have VAR. 

 

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Yes thats what I mean't. The standard without VAR now is even worse than before VAR was introduced.

 

In other news I'm guessing City's punishment isn't going to be too bad with Haalands new contract.

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I had a feeling some Newcastle fans and pro-Toon pundits were getting carried away in claiming we could claw our way into the title race and indeed was aware our winning/unbeaten run couldn't last forever but a 4-1 demolition at home to Bournemouth? Bruh.

 

Not beaten the club where Eddie Howe made his name with Howe in charge of Newcastle. Some super weird jinx they have over us.

 

At the rate of progress with 10 games unbeaten despite injuries ruling out several key players, Bournemouth could be a shout for a European place at this rate.

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