Pinkpop 2025

[willsmith700]

I think the addition of Chappell Roan would have made it a 10/10. But, I suspect she would have wanted headliner status if anything. Still many artists to be added. Decent launch.

[49Lawson]

8 minutes ago, willsmith700 said:

I think it's a pretty solid line-up! 

Yeah I do too if I'm honest, I could easily cobble together three days worth of music there and it's only the first announcement. Very eclectic line up but good bookings in each genre it's tried to go for.

[Ohad]

The best lineup I've seen this summer so far. I can even stand O Rods booking considering there are really nice acts during her day. I think I'm in.

[charlierc]

There's a very good undercard for Muse day tbf. More positive about this than some of the others I'd been contemplating. 

[MK1]

4 minutes ago, charlierc said:

There's a very good undercard for Muse day tbf. More positive about this than some of the others I'd been contemplating. 

The Muse day looks great indeed

[just_one]

Muse , Korn and Kaiser Chiefs playing Employment in full on the same day is amazing!!

[Dazrigby88]

Personally, I think it speaks to the quality of festivals line-ups in the mid 2020s that people consider this appealing... The last day is decent, but Justin Timberweed and Olivia Rodrigo are pathetic headliners imo and would've gotten nowehere close to headline slots on any decent festival 10-15 years ago. 

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[pryce]

26 minutes ago, Dazrigby88 said:

Personally, I think it speaks to the quality of festivals line-ups in the mid 2020s that people consider this appealing... The last day is decent, but Justin Timberweed and Olivia Rodrigo are pathetic headliners imo and would've gotten nowehere close to headline slots on any decent festival 10-15 years ago. 

because music changes, you cant expect your likes to always be catered for, time moves on... pop is now the biggest seller 

 

bands like Placebo, Snow Patrol if started now would not make it anywhere near headline status

 

it will swing back around in a few more years and you can be happy again and make the same post to someone complaining the other way 

[willsmith700]

44 minutes ago, Dazrigby88 said:

Personally, I think it speaks to the quality of festivals line-ups in the mid 2020s that people consider this appealing... The last day is decent, but Justin Timberweed and Olivia Rodrigo are pathetic headliners imo and would've gotten nowehere close to headline slots on any decent festival 10-15 years ago. 

Pretty odd take. Not really sure where to start. 
Music isn't static and Olivia is in the conversation to headline Glasto and others. They know their market and have put something together that speaks to it. Much like Andy Copping was saying at the Download launch, they have to move with the times.... 

[charlierc]

Timberlake was headlining festivals 10-15 years ago, wasn't he? He's been around long enough.

[Dazrigby88]

10 minutes ago, charlierc said:

Timberlake was headlining festivals 10-15 years ago, wasn't he? He's been around long enough.

Yeah... pop festivals! lol

[Dazrigby88]

20 minutes ago, willsmith700 said:

Pretty odd take. Not really sure where to start. 
Music isn't static and Olivia is in the conversation to headline Glasto and others. They know their market and have put something together that speaks to it. Much like Andy Copping was saying at the Download launch, they have to move with the times.... 

becase Glasto is hardly the beacon of alternative music these days, is it? Download might be diversifying, but you're never going to get bubblegum pop/commercial dog sh*t like this there, are you? lol

[Dazrigby88]

37 minutes ago, pryce said:

because music changes, you cant expect your likes to always be catered for, time moves on... pop is now the biggest seller 

 

bands like Placebo, Snow Patrol if started now would not make it anywhere near headline status

 

it will swing back around in a few more years and you can be happy again and make the same post to someone complaining the other way 

pop was always the biggest seller.... these days, festivals have forfeited their identity in an effort to sppeal to all. And this is the garbage we end up with. Sad times imo.

 

Thankfulyl there are still some festvials catering solely to fans of real musicians, not this commercial, marketing rubbish. Rock for People will get my money next summer 🙂

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[Dazrigby88]

46 minutes ago, pryce said:

because music changes, you cant expect your likes to always be catered for, time moves on... pop is now the biggest seller 

 

bands like Placebo, Snow Patrol if started now would not make it anywhere near headline status

 

it will swing back around in a few more years and you can be happy again and make the same post to someone complaining the other way 

music changes... so let's put Justin Timberlake - a pop act that was in his heyday 20 years ago - on the main stage? Is that really representative of music changing, or does it speak to lazy bookings and an apathetic crowd who is happy to pay for a 3-day festival ticket so long as there are a few acts across the weekend that appeal to them?

 

 

[MrTobs]

2 minutes ago, Dazrigby88 said:

pop was always the biggest seller.... these days, festivals have forfeited their identity in an effort to sppeal to all. And this is the garbage we end up with. Sad times imo.

 

Thankfulyl there are still some festvials catering solely to fans of real musicians, not this commercial, marketing rubbish. Rock for People will get my money next summer 🙂

First of all the cynicism in your posts is worrisome, I hope you are doing okay. 

And second of all, festivals were always going with the times, it just seems that you didn't. Which is totaly fine, everyone should listen to what they like, but you can't blame a festival as big as Pinkpop for not evolving. They have always booked headliners, that are hardly rock acts (Faithless, Moby, Massive Attack, Robbie Williams). They had Justin Bieber and Bruno Mars headlining lol.

In my opinion they are actually doing a pretty bad job in evolving, cause to me a day with Muse, Korn and Biffy Clyro sounds very boring in 2024. I mean I would enjoy myself watching Muse and Biffy for the 100th time, I used to love them. But for me they belong to niche festivals like Rock for People now. They are hardly exciting with their same old shows anymore.

[willsmith700]

6 minutes ago, MrTobs said:

First of all the cynicism in your posts is worrisome, I hope you are doing okay. 

And second of all, festivals were always going with the times, it just seems that you didn't. Which is totaly fine, everyone should listen to what they like, but you can't blame a festival as big as Pinkpop for not evolving. They have always booked headliners, that are hardly rock acts (Faithless, Moby, Massive Attack, Robbie Williams). They had Justin Bieber and Bruno Mars headlining lol.

In my opinion they are actually doing a pretty bad job in evolving, cause to me a day with Muse, Korn and Biffy Clyro sounds very boring in 2024. I mean I would enjoy myself watching Muse and Biffy for the 100th time, I used to love them. But for me they belong to niche festivals like Rock for People now. They are hardly exciting with their same old shows anymore.

Good points and well-made. Admittedly, I'm coming it at it from another point in that I've seen Muse and Biffy many times over the years, but have managed to dodge them for the last decade+, so I'm quite looking forward to, and find the prospect of checking them out again quite appealing. 

[willsmith700]

26 minutes ago, Dazrigby88 said:

becase Glasto is hardly the beacon of alternative music these days, is it? Download might be diversifying, but you're never going to get bubblegum pop/commercial dog sh*t like this there, are you? lol

I wouldn't say they are a beacon of anything! But, they always have the genre well represented amongst the 6,000,000 stages or whatever haha. 

[Dazrigby88]

47 minutes ago, MrTobs said:

First of all the cynicism in your posts is worrisome, I hope you are doing okay. 

And second of all, festivals were always going with the times, it just seems that you didn't. Which is totaly fine, everyone should listen to what they like, but you can't blame a festival as big as Pinkpop for not evolving. They have always booked headliners, that are hardly rock acts (Faithless, Moby, Massive Attack, Robbie Williams). They had Justin Bieber and Bruno Mars headlining lol.

In my opinion they are actually doing a pretty bad job in evolving, cause to me a day with Muse, Korn and Biffy Clyro sounds very boring in 2024. I mean I would enjoy myself watching Muse and Biffy for the 100th time, I used to love them. But for me they belong to niche festivals like Rock for People now. They are hardly exciting with their same old shows anymore.

Haha I'm doing fine 🙂 

 

Maybe the reason they're having to defer to the likes of Muse and Korn in 2024 is because festibals such as Pinkpop - festvialsthat were once the champions of alternatiive music as you pointed out - have refused to promote many of the bigger contemporary rock/alternative acts to headline slots. And as I've pointed out above, they're hardly going all in on modern music with Justin Timberlake in 2024!!!

 

It just seems lazy to me that they're all booking the same boring pop acts with practically no unqiueness to most of the lime-ups across Europe. But I guess if people are lapping it up and actually excited by mediocrity like this then that shows why they don;t need to think outside the box -- which was my original point...

 

Anyway, enjoy, boys! 

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[willsmith700]

2 minutes ago, Dazrigby88 said:

Haha I'm doing fine 🙂 

 

Maybe the reason they're having to defer to the likes of Muse and Korn in 2024 is because festibals such as Pinkpop - festvialsthat were once the champions of alternatiive music as you pointed out - have refused to promote many of the bigger contemporary rock/alternative acts to headline slots. And as I've pointed out above, they're hardly going all in on modern music with Justin Timberlake in 2024!!!

 

It just seems lazy to me that they're all booking the same boring pop acts with practically no unqiueness to most of the lime-ups across Europe. But I guess if people are lapping it up and actually excited by mediocrity like this then that shows why they don;t need to think outside the box -- which was my original point...

 

Anyway, enjoy, boys! lol

Justin Timberlake is a fun addition and will put on a good live show. A bit of pop heritage. They had Robbie Williams and Pink the other year and it was such a good time! 

The economics of Live Music make the days of pulling a European Exclusive Pearl Jam set, or an unexpected surprise appearance from Radiohead (insert other classic example) as a festival exclusive much more difficult to make financially viable. Nowadays, you have to operate within (90%) of the established touring schedules, maintain your niche and / or brand and offer something competitive. Pinkpop has enough going on within the site to cater to that, and in my opinion, the line up ... as a launch line-up has done it's job. 

I'm a bit of a crusty old punk rocker and tend to side on the heavier music, but I love the atmosphere and vibe that Pinkpop has. It's like no other, and is just pure joy, great layout, value for money, relaxed and regardless of line-up, I know it will be a brilliant weekend. 

Wherever your 2025, takes you, have a gooden 🙂

[Dazrigby88]

13 minutes ago, willsmith700 said:

Justin Timberlake is a fun addition and will put on a good live show. A bit of pop heritage. They had Robbie Williams and Pink the other year and it was such a good time! 

The economics of Live Music make the days of pulling a European Exclusive Pearl Jam set, or an unexpected surprise appearance from Radiohead (insert other classic example) as a festival exclusive much more difficult to make financially viable. Nowadays, you have to operate within (90%) of the established touring schedules, maintain your niche and / or brand and offer something competitive. Pinkpop has enough going on within the site to cater to that, and in my opinion, the line up ... as a launch line-up has done it's job. 

I'm a bit of a crusty old punk rocker and tend to side on the heavier music, but I love the atmosphere and vibe that Pinkpop has. It's like no other, and is just pure joy, great layout, value for money, relaxed and regardless of line-up, I know it will be a brilliant weekend. 

Wherever your 2025, takes you, have a gooden 🙂

can't argue with any of that.... You too buddy 🙂

[MrTobs]

27 minutes ago, Dazrigby88 said:

Haha I'm doing fine 🙂 

 

Maybe the reason they're having to defer to the likes of Muse and Korn in 2024 is because festibals such as Pinkpop - festvialsthat were once the champions of alternatiive music as you pointed out - have refused to promote many of the bigger contemporary rock/alternative acts to headline slots. And as I've pointed out above, they're hardly going all in on modern music with Justin Timberlake in 2024!!!

 

It just seems lazy to me that they're all booking the same boring pop acts with practically no unqiueness to most of the lime-ups across Europe. But I guess if people are lapping it up and actually excited by mediocrity like this then that shows why they don;t need to think outside the box -- which was my original point...

 

Anyway, enjoy, boys! lol

Well the uniqueness definetly doesn't get lost by booking Olivia Rodrigo on her first headline tour, but rather by booking Muse like every festival for the last 15 years. Also she is quite rocky actually, in the sense of someone like Alanis Morissette for example, so they are doing exactly what you want them to: promoting a new artist to headline status.

I rarely liked Pinkpop line-ups with their mix of (to me) bland rock-acts and mainstream pop acts, I don't see them being a champion of alternative music at all in the last 20 years at least, so I wont complain about them not being that in 2025 again.

Look at their 2004 line-up for example with the 7 biggest acts being Lenny Kravitz, Muse, Pixies as rock acts and Black Eyed Peas, Tiesto, N*E*R*D and Sugababes as more mainstream artists.

2015's sunday had a run of Rise Against, One Republic, Sam Smith, Pharrell Williams and Foo Fighters and saturday headliners Avicii and Robbie Williams. Thats pretty awful to my tastes and alternative music fans I'd say (which doesn't mean you can't have fun with these line-ups obv).

I really don't know what you expected from them, maybe it is just the wrong forum you are raging in.

Edited 28 minutes ago by MrTobs