Sneaking in - Full Video

[Cooter]

20 minutes ago, dondo said:

Yep. Started with a V but that's about as much I remember other than their high vis were light blue 

Yea they were regularly at the Glade railway crossing area, possibly the busiest intersection of the whole site. Occasionally they'd wander up to someone standing still for a millisecond to take a picture or a sip of their drink and ask them to move on. The looks they were getting made me lol.

 

Needless to say that particular busy area kept flowing freely as it always does without any need for random hiviz types telling people to move on! That's even with the pointless barriered off small square areas they put there too, how wise to make a really busy junction smaller!!

Edited July 9 by Cooter

[Calvin Klein]

These people are scum. Social media infecting everything.

[tarw]

3 hours ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I honestly can imagine the festival just accepting that possibly thousands gain entry without legitimate tickets and treating it as part and parcel of the event.  There must be a post festival security audit and shortcomings actioned.  The solution lies with better technological advanced scanning. 
on a lighter note, it’s been a few years since someone at the gates tugged my wristband to make sure it’s not been tampered with. 

I think that the point is that it’s not accepted by the festival it’s unofficially ENCOURAGED right from the top. 
The festival will want to limit the numbers getting in to avoid licensing/safety issues. Though I am sure that most of the councillors and staff have probably been spun in themselves at some point in the last 50 years. 
I can see how this might upset some people who pay but for me it’s what prevents the festival becoming Henley Regatta with music. Full of people working in the city doing it for the event much like Wimbledon, Ascot, The Rugby etc. 

I think it fits in with Sir Michael’s Methodist/Socialist values. He doesn’t want anyone denied the opportunity to party because they can’t afford it. He takes the approach that those who can afford to pay pay and then when there’s enough money in the pot to pay everyone and the charities he will pull the fence down and make it a free festival. 
The council stopped him from literally pulling the fence down because it was getting unsafe. So he now makes sure there are some “holes” left in it. 

[tomf3]

23 minutes ago, tarw said:

I think that the point is that it’s not accepted by the festival it’s unofficially ENCOURAGED right from the top. 
The festival will want to limit the numbers getting in to avoid licensing/safety issues. Though I am sure that most of the councillors and staff have probably been spun in themselves at some point in the last 50 years. 
I can see how this might upset some people who pay but for me it’s what prevents the festival becoming Henley Regatta with music. Full of people working in the city doing it for the event much like Wimbledon, Ascot, The Rugby etc. 

I think it fits in with Sir Michael’s Methodist/Socialist values. He doesn’t want anyone denied the opportunity to party because they can’t afford it. He takes the approach that those who can afford to pay pay and then when there’s enough money in the pot to pay everyone and the charities he will pull the fence down and make it a free festival. 
The council stopped him from literally pulling the fence down because it was getting unsafe. So he now makes sure there are some “holes” left in it. 

Yeah I definitely think this is correct and I'm sure Michael feels great about the fact so many people want to come to his event. I just wonder how they feel at the point where it becomes less enjoyable / dangerous as a result. It's also hard to feel negatively about people breaking in when literally every other avenue is at full capacity. If there were was an excess of volunteering/work opportunities etc for people who couldn't afford tickets it would feel more reasonable to really clamp down on it. 

[gherkin8r]

Touts will be shot 

[Monty Pythagoras]

Firm of wrongens these.

Fair play for getting in - although nothing special and for a day and a bit?

 

Showing pretty much everyone involved's faces.

 

Anyone looked at the rest of their thumbnails? And seemed like once they caught the last of Coldplay they were only interested in talking to women who aren't in the best of ways.

[Madyaker]

1 hour ago, tomf3 said:

All the people I know of who broke in definitely would not have paid £500; I don't think they paid anything at all. I think most people in Bristol, Bath and Somerset etc know at least some people who work at the festival in some capacity and a lot of them use these connections to get broken in (probably for a smaller fee maximum £100). I think £500 is probably the break in RRP for paying a dodgy security guard who you have no prior relationship with to drive you in. 

Obviously some people who are local and work it every year are probably bunking in a few mates in the back of a van or whatever, but I don’t think that could be more than few hundred people each year. You wouldn’t notice a few hundred extra when there’s 200k+ on site. I’d be amazed if thousands are getting in that way, and it must be risky, presumably any trader / vendor gets black listed if caught smuggling people in. 

[Old_Johno]

8 minutes ago, Monty Pythagoras said:

Firm of wrongens these.

Fair play for getting in - although nothing special and for a day and a bit?

 

Showing pretty much everyone involved's faces.

 

Anyone looked at the rest of their thumbnails? And seemed like once they caught the last of Coldplay they were only interested in talking to women who aren't in the best of ways.

 That’s basically their mo, go to raves, parties, festivals etc. find some pretty girls who have drunk/ taken a bit much, and ask them questions for social media clout.

 

guessing they couldn’t find many this year after missing 75% of the festival. 

 

[tomf3]

1 minute ago, Madyaker said:

Obviously some people who are local and work it every year are probably bunking in a few mates in the back of a van or whatever, but I don’t think that could be more than few hundred people each year. You wouldn’t notice a few hundred extra when there’s 200k+ on site. I’d be amazed if thousands are getting in that way, and it must be risky, presumably any trader / vendor gets black listed if caught smuggling people in. 

I know a fair few people in Bristol who are there every year without a ticket and always seem to get broken in via wristband swap (I think by some of the areas as I assume it involves EPOs). I don't think traders would have much opportunity to break people in. My assumption is that this is pretty rife if I alone know loads of people who do it. Plus you've also got the chancers who walk straight through the gate (I met a girl on the Thursday who had done this and know lots of people who have done this in the past), then you've got the £500 security guard option, people using tunnels, and then the video of people pouring over the fence, plus lots of other options I bet. I think across the board there are a huge amount of people getting in. The site is probably twice as big as it was in 2000 and often feels as congested so I think there are some pretty big numbers involved. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

53 minutes ago, tarw said:

I think that the point is that it’s not accepted by the festival it’s unofficially ENCOURAGED right from the top. 
The festival will want to limit the numbers getting in to avoid licensing/safety issues. Though I am sure that most of the councillors and staff have probably been spun in themselves at some point in the last 50 years. 
I can see how this might upset some people who pay but for me it’s what prevents the festival becoming Henley Regatta with music. Full of people working in the city doing it for the event much like Wimbledon, Ascot, The Rugby etc. 

I think it fits in with Sir Michael’s Methodist/Socialist values. He doesn’t want anyone denied the opportunity to party because they can’t afford it. He takes the approach that those who can afford to pay pay and then when there’s enough money in the pot to pay everyone and the charities he will pull the fence down and make it a free festival. 
The council stopped him from literally pulling the fence down because it was getting unsafe. So he now makes sure there are some “holes” left in it. 

That might have been acceptable in the past but now with the festival so oversubscribed, the incredible demand for tickets and social media encouraging it then it could become dangerous. More and more might be tempted to try. Not just the innovative fence jumpers etc, but organised groups making profits for themselves. That does the festival no good.  There will be a tipping point that could seriously compromise public safety. 

[Crazyfool01]

12 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

That might have been acceptable in the past but now with the festival so oversubscribed, the incredible demand for tickets and social media encouraging it then it could become dangerous. More and more might be tempted to try. Not just the innovative fence jumpers etc, but organised groups making profits for themselves. That does the festival no good.  There will be a tipping point that could seriously compromise public safety. 

It’s hard to say if it’s annecdotal or not … some say they felt the site was busier , some say the opposite … the only people who will accurately know is the festival HQ … they have some pretty advanced systems for monitoring … including a centre at the farm , drones , cctv and people on the ground . Would love to be a fly on the wall at these discussions and absolutely safety shouldn’t be compromised so they need to shut stuff down especially for me the more organised big scale stuff where people make money from it 

[Alvoram]

6 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

That might have been acceptable in the past but now with the festival so oversubscribed, the incredible demand for tickets and social media encouraging it then it could become dangerous. More and more might be tempted to try. Not just the innovative fence jumpers etc, but organised groups making profits for themselves. That does the festival no good.  There will be a tipping point that could seriously compromise public safety. 

I totally get where you're coming from, and ultimately you're right, there is a line that cannot be crossed, and a tipping point for sure. But I don't think we're there yet. The thing is (and you only need to read this thread for evidence of this) people are massively underestimating just how much of that crowd are already there without tickets. I always thought it was 5 figures, and if Sawdusty confirms that it's easily at least that, as he did earlier in the thread, then I don't see how anybody could argue it, he would know. 

Without them, it would maybe even feel a bit 'too' quiet. Not to mention a bit 'flat.' 

This year didn't feel anywhere near as bad as last. I was actually able to get into a lot of D&B sets, where I couldn't last year. The SE corner felt busy, but manageable, (and well managed to be honest.) I also didn't encounter any 'scary' choke points when moving around. The only choke point I encountered was the baffling decision to try and control the flow of traffic entering the other stage for Avril, and even that wasn't scary, (and it probably made sense in ways I don't understand.) Any issues this year were caused purely by scheduling, and acts not being on big enough stages, or having very little competition elsewhere. As others have said, if the Pyramid field had been as full all day as it has been in recent years, the site would have felt much much quieter.

Fence jumpers are part and parcel of Glastonbury, one of the things that, even those of us who didn't attend, knew the festival for since at least the 90s. I hope it isn't sanitized to the point that it loses it's soul. 
 

[Ayrshire Chris]

7 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

I hope it isn't sanitized to the point that it loses it's soul. 

I think we can all agree on that. What I detest is the idea that possibly organised groups using social media are profiteering from others desperate to get in. 

[tarw]

6 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

I totally get where you're coming from, and ultimately you're right, there is a line that cannot be crossed, and a tipping point for sure. But I don't think we're there yet. The thing is (and you only need to read this thread for evidence of this) people are massively underestimating just how much of that crowd are already there without tickets. I always thought it was 5 figures, and if Sawdusty confirms that it's easily at least that, as he did earlier in the thread, then I don't see how anybody could argue it, he would know. 

Without them, it would maybe even feel a bit 'too' quiet. Not to mention a bit 'flat.' 

This year didn't feel anywhere near as bad as last. I was actually able to get into a lot of D&B sets, where I couldn't last year. The SE corner felt busy, but manageable, (and well managed to be honest.) I also didn't encounter any 'scary' choke points when moving around. The only choke point I encountered was the baffling decision to try and control the flow of traffic entering the other stage for Avril, and even that wasn't scary, (and it probably made sense in ways I don't understand.) Any issues this year were caused purely by scheduling, and acts not being on big enough stages, or having very little competition elsewhere. As others have said, if the Pyramid field had been as full all day as it has been in recent years, the site would have felt much much quieter.

Fence jumpers are part and parcel of Glastonbury, one of the things that, even those of us who didn't attend, knew the festival for since at least the 90s. I hope it isn't sanitized to the point that it loses it's soul. 
 

It was quite interesting because I was watching them from the Leftfield tent. It all seemed to be aimed at preventing surges arriving in the field. They let some in the field from opposite Leftfield. Then they closed that entrance and sent everyone on a detour along the railway track. When the field had absorbed all of the people from behind the stage they opened the entrance again and let some more in. After Hillsborough I can see why they were doing it. 
A lot of the crowd management appeared to be using detours, roundabouts and creating pinch points to limit the flow into areas. Also telling people areas were full when they were 75% full to stop the surge

[Sack truck]

14 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

I totally get where you're coming from, and ultimately you're right, there is a line that cannot be crossed, and a tipping point for sure. But I don't think we're there yet. The thing is (and you only need to read this thread for evidence of this) people are massively underestimating just how much of that crowd are already there without tickets. I always thought it was 5 figures, and if Sawdusty confirms that it's easily at least that, as he did earlier in the thread, then I don't see how anybody could argue it, he would know. 

Without them, it would maybe even feel a bit 'too' quiet. Not to mention a bit 'flat.' 

This year didn't feel anywhere near as bad as last. I was actually able to get into a lot of D&B sets, where I couldn't last year. The SE corner felt busy, but manageable, (and well managed to be honest.) I also didn't encounter any 'scary' choke points when moving around. The only choke point I encountered was the baffling decision to try and control the flow of traffic entering the other stage for Avril, and even that wasn't scary, (and it probably made sense in ways I don't understand.) Any issues this year were caused purely by scheduling, and acts not being on big enough stages, or having very little competition elsewhere. As others have said, if the Pyramid field had been as full all day as it has been in recent years, the site would have felt much much quieter.

Fence jumpers are part and parcel of Glastonbury, one of the things that, even those of us who didn't attend, knew the festival for since at least the 90s. I hope it isn't sanitized to the point that it loses it's soul. 
 

We all felt there were less spun in this year but still met lots. Was a discussion round the fire that if in our 20m radius there were 10 then how many would that equate to over the whole site. Camping fairly near the other stage at same point each year, this year was noticeably quieter tent wise and in previous years there would be  double or treble the amount of folk spun in within that 20m radius. Last year was the most mental. More spun in folk than paying punters by ours, this year not so much but still enough to make a difference. Completely unscientific but I can see 5 figures being done easily

 

 

[Alvoram]

4 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

I think we can all agree on that. What I detest is the idea that possibly organised groups using social media are profiteering from others desperate to get in. 

Me too... Bring back the tunnel Michael 😉 I haven't heard of, or seen any videos of, anybody sneaking under the bridge this year. Guessing it's been 'secured.' 😕 

[Madyaker]

52 minutes ago, tomf3 said:

I know a fair few people in Bristol who are there every year without a ticket and always seem to get broken in via wristband swap (I think by some of the areas as I assume it involves EPOs). I don't think traders would have much opportunity to break people in. My assumption is that this is pretty rife if I alone know loads of people who do it. Plus you've also got the chancers who walk straight through the gate (I met a girl on the Thursday who had done this and know lots of people who have done this in the past), then you've got the £500 security guard option, people using tunnels, and then the video of people pouring over the fence, plus lots of other options I bet. I think across the board there are a huge amount of people getting in. The site is probably twice as big as it was in 2000 and often feels as congested so I think there are some pretty big numbers involved. 

Where’d you read about tunnels or people pouring over the fence? Was that this year? First I’ve heard of it. 

[tomf3]

1 minute ago, Madyaker said:

Where’d you read about tunnels or people pouring over the fence? Was that this year? First I’ve heard of it. 

I know historically people have used tunnels and pretty sure someone in here said they saw it going on in the car park. There's a video on this article of people jumping over, and then some other stories about reddit groups etc that are based around breaking in - Glastonbury in chaos as hundreds sneak in over fence for £50 | Metro News

[Alvoram]

6 minutes ago, tarw said:

It was quite interesting because I was watching them from the Leftfield tent. It all seemed to be aimed at preventing surges arriving in the field. They let some in the field from opposite Leftfield. Then they closed that entrance and sent everyone on a detour along the railway track. When the field had absorbed all of the people from behind the stage they opened the entrance again and let some more in. After Hillsborough I can see why they were doing it. 
A lot of the crowd management appeared to be using detours, roundabouts and creating pinch points to limit the flow into areas. Also telling people areas were full when they were 75% full to stop the surge

Thankfully, we got there just as it was opened or reopened, I do mean literally just! We were actually told, initially, to follow the barriers around, but just as we got about 10m along them, they opened it up and everybody poured through. We managed to get a fairly decent spot near the front. Which, by all accounts from those sent around to the back, actually had more space than the back. (The claims of it being really tight at the back are what make me say it was a baffling decision, when there was still plenty of room near the front.) 

 

Guess I shouldn't complain haha, no way we'd have gotten such a decent spot if they hadn't already directed so many of the people in front of us around to the back. 

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, Alvoram said:

Thankfully, we got there just as it was opened or reopened, I do mean literally just! We were actually told, initially, to follow the barriers around, but just as we got about 10m along them, they opened it up and everybody poured through. We managed to get a fairly decent spot near the front. Which, by all accounts from those sent around to the back, actually had more space than the back. (The claims of it being really tight at the back are what make me say it was a baffling decision, when there was still plenty of room near the front.) 

 

Guess I shouldn't complain haha, no way we'd have gotten such a decent spot if they hadn't already directed so many of the people in front of us around to the back. 

we were the equivalent on the other side, as we basically just went as fast as we could as Shania was doing her final notes and beat most of the crowd

[Alvoram]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

we were the equivalent on the other side, as we basically just went as fast as we could as Shania was doing her final notes and beat most of the crowd

That's the thing, we weren't quick... there was 1000s of people in front of us who were sent along some temporary barriers, and a wall of stewards, towards the back somewhere... But just as we were there, they opened it up. 

It is actually starting to make sense, they were clearly ensuring that, rather than everybody enter from one small choke point, they directed traffic to different access points at different times. Very clever actually, in hindsight. 👏

[Franky]

Pointless exercise

[Talcroft]

3 hours ago, Madyaker said:

They managed the crowd at Avril Lavigne and did a good job there imo. Can you remember their name? I can picture their logo that was on the high vis in my head but I can’t remember the name, I think it began with a V? I’ve been trying to find them through googling but no luck. 
 

Im fairly certain they weren’t there last year or other years I’ve been. 

Safestyle Security Services definitely had a part  - different tabards to gate security. I remembered the name coz it was the same as the window company. Tried to tell me Woodsies was shut when I was trying to get there for Fat White Family and his mate was still letting people through. 

 

(in all seriousness though, I actually applaud their proactivity this year. Stonebridge never got full before the queues were implemented. Woodsies they tried to close early. Previous poster's comments about how they were managing the Avril crowd sound sensible, even if they didn't feel it. And his mate let me through for Fat Whites coz I promised to leave before Kasabian) 

[HotChipWillBreakYourLegs]

5 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said:

 

Haha, thanks. I hate these types of people. Two guys and a girl asked me who was playing at the Bandstand last year and why there was such a crowd, so I politely tried to explain it was Shohawk Duo and what kind of music they played thinking I was going to have a nice chat and they just kept sarcastically answering, like "Wooow, sounds really cool. Oh, they do covers of dance songs, sounds amazing." I just walked off without saying anything. Absolutely boils my piss, these people who think they're the funniest bantz banterers the world has ever heard.

 

EDIT: also wish the phrase, "Young, dumb/fun, full of c*m" would just f**k off back to 2008 and die already.

 

Point Break was released in 1991.

[MEGATRONICMEATWAGON]

8 minutes ago, HotChipWillBreakYourLegs said:

 

Point Break was released in 1991.

 

And if you go even further back it was first referenced in Twelfth Night.