Other Stage Headliner / Pyramid Sub Headliners

[northernangel]

4 hours ago, Ben7amin_ said:

 

Kind of feel since album 1 & 2  Foals have struggled album wise.   3 onwards each album has had 3-4 big hitters then a big chunk of filler.   They can definitely pull together a solid setlist but certainly IMO the quality of the output started high and has been slowly going backwards.     

 

If anything they are probably now moving further away from headlining than getting closer.   Unless there next album is gonna be absolutely solid I think they would be better of doing an Antidotes tour or greatest hits to stop the backwards slide. 

They are a little bit in answer to their own album of What Went Down?, they did 

[NorthernSoul52]

Doesn't matter if the albums were all killer to be fair - if it doesn't manage to crossover, you're missing out. 

[gfa]

16 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Foals, at their peak, were popular.

 

But - and not solely because of The X Factor - your ma and da are more likely to know a spot of Biffy.

More likely doesn't mean likely at all lol

 

How well known an act is to your parents doesn't make much of a difference to whether they do Other or Pyramid Sub

 

For instance recently PSB did Other headline, whilst Royal Blood subbed pyramid.

 

Biffy at least when i saw them at IOW in 2019 had a big production show you'd expect from a larger band and would suit other well, giving them a show in the dark. They could easily do either of course - but how well known they are really doesn't play much into it i think

[NorthernSoul52]

Just now, gfa said:

More likely doesn't mean likely at all lol

 

How well known an act is to your parents doesn't make much of a difference to whether they do Other or Pyramid Sub

 

For instance recently PSB did Other headline, whilst Royal Blood subbed pyramid.

 

Biffy at least when i saw them at IOW in 2019 had a big production show you'd expect from a larger band and would suit other well, giving them a show in the dark. They could easily do either of course - but how well known they are really doesn't play much into it i think

Not at all - there is the definition of variety after all - but my point is that Biffy Clyro are more four-quadrant than Foals are, or indeed ever have been, for the most part.

 

The latter have them beat on streams, absolutely, but your casual punter at Glastonbury is going to know more the taps aff boys than the Oxford art-punks.

 

Both are Other headliner or Pyramid sub material, for me. But if you wanting to pair one to a Pyramid headliner for a big singalong - well, it's Biffy all the way.

[gfa]

34 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Not at all - there is the definition of variety after all - but my point is that Biffy Clyro are more four-quadrant than Foals are, or indeed ever have been, for the most part.

 

The latter have them beat on streams, absolutely, but your casual punter at Glastonbury is going to know more the taps aff boys than the Oxford art-punks.

 

Both are Other headliner or Pyramid sub material, for me. But if you wanting to pair one to a Pyramid headliner for a big singalong - well, it's Biffy all the way.

Regardless of who would be better for pyramid sub (I disagree by the way, there's really not much in it, Foals are a house band at glastonbury pretty much) - both are better suited to other headline.

 

Infact i very much disagree - foals summery tunes are well suited to a sub slot, bit of fun before a headliner. Suns setting and they start playing my number, perfecto.

 

Biffy would much better suit closing the other stage with some heavier music, proper lighting setup in the dark.

 

Very interchangeable to be honest though and similar size acts

[NorthernSoul52]

Just now, gfa said:

Regardless of who would be better for pyramid sub (I disagree by the way, there's really not much in it, Foals are a house band at glastonbury pretty much) - both are better suited to other headline.

 

Infact i very much disagree - foals summery tunes are well suited to a sub slot, bit of fun before a headliner. Suns setting and they start playing my number, perfecto.

 

Biffy would much better suit closing the other stage with some heavier music, proper lighting setup in the dark.

 

Very interchangeable to be honest though and similar size acts

Fair enough. Foals have a longer, harder reputation with Glastonbury - and that can be a key bit of definition in the process.

 

Biffy would get a longer slot atop the Other too, so I'm all for that.

[northernangel]

56 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Fair enough. Foals have a longer, harder reputation with Glastonbury - and that can be a key bit of definition in the process.

 

Biffy would get a longer slot atop the Other too, so I'm all for that.

Not necessarily, judging by this year and various other years I think they are getting 1hr 15 regardless and they were the Pyramid sub in 2017 that got the longer set. I don't see them getting the 1hr 30 on other. Given the slots they look likely to get this year I think it's Pyramid sub or nothing to play the same year but if theh were offered the Other with extra 15 I could maybe see it. I think the field though might not be big enough. I think they fit well under Olivia on Friday and there would be enough crowd movement. I can't see them under Rihanna or Stevie as I just found it too much a different act under Ed in 17 for example.

 

I'm happy though for them to get the Other slot on Sunday though but the only way I see it is if the festival don't want to book all of Jack, Yungblud and Biffy Clyro to sub. There is reason based on that to believe based on that they will book a female sub option and Yungblud I think I would see more of an act they would push on the bigger stage. It's probably a year where we have the most options for subs and other.

[NorthernSoul52]

I thought Other headliners were 90 and Pyramid subs were 60 to 75? Depends on the act, I guess. Pet Shop Boys - an arena-filling act - had the full 90 on the former, if I recall.

[wro_lap]

Massive Foals fan here. I can't help but think they shot themselves in the foot with the two-part album thing and headlining a bunch of tiny festivals in 2019 (Y Not, Truck etc) just as people were starting to drum up hype that they may headline the Pyramid. Feel like that cheapened them a bit, and commercially did them no favours. I'd have loved to see it, but it'll almost certainly never happen now

[NorthernSoul52]

16 minutes ago, wro_lap said:

Massive Foals fan here. I can't help but think they shot themselves in the foot with the two-part album thing and headlining a bunch of tiny festivals in 2019 (Y Not, Truck etc) just as people were starting to drum up hype that they may headline the Pyramid. Feel like that cheapened them a bit, and commercially did them no favours. I'd have loved to see it, but it'll almost certainly never happen now

I think I can concur with that. They hit number one off one of those for the first time, didn't they?

[northernangel]

As a final point to the whole Biffy thing, I think I'm in the boat now of its going to be either them or Yungblud and the other option takes the Other headliner purely due to I think they'll book a female sub whether they get two headline females or not. They got two in the end this year, still planned two originally anyway and had a female sub. The act I don't see accepting anything except for Pyramid sub is Jack even though I'd probably agree he probably should go 3rd down allowing both those above two be sub...which would be very strong. He's a Glastonbury favourite too. Let's be honest too, Noel was past the point of he needs to sub when he did but his ego and who he is meant he would get that spot but playing 3rd would have been fine. 

[fraybentos1]

Biffy were maybe borderline back in 2014 ish after they had done reading and T in the P. Both bands are not as popular as they once were and you cannot picture either selling out an arena tour quickly in the way the 1975 do 

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, northernangel said:

As a final point to the whole Biffy thing, I think I'm in the boat now of its going to be either them or Yungblud and the other option takes the Other headliner purely due to I think they'll book a female sub whether they get two headline females or not. They got two in the end this year, still planned two originally anyway and had a female sub. The act I don't see accepting anything except for Pyramid sub is Jack even though I'd probably agree he probably should go 3rd down allowing both those above two be sub...which would be very strong. He's a Glastonbury favourite too. Let's be honest too, Noel was past the point of he needs to sub when he did but his ego and who he is meant he would get that spot but playing 3rd would have been fine. 

Noel was easily big enough to sub, he was always selling out arenas. I don;t think his ego could have been that big cause he played a lot of tiny festivals in the last couple years

[northernangel]

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

Biffy were maybe borderline back in 2014 ish after they had done reading and T in the P. Both bands are not as popular as they once were and you cannot picture either selling out an arena tour quickly in the way the 1975 do 

They are two of the stickouts from around the time I'd say that never got the opportunity presented to play their own outdoor gigs either. 

 

1 minute ago, fraybentos1 said:

Noel was easily big enough to sub, he was always selling out arenas. I don;t think his ego could have been that big cause he played a lot of tiny festivals in the last couple years

 

Nah the difference with Noel was he wanted to headline everything he played regardless of the size of it. The only time he ever decided he wanted to only sub Glastonbury was under Macca who is like his idol. I don't think we can actually debate whether Noel has an ego or not.

[NorthernSoul52]

I maintain that, if Biffy hadn't taken 2015 off, they'd have been in the frame as a call-up when Foo Fighters had to pull the plug.

 

Post-Opposites, pre-Ellipsis. Major headline shows in the past few years and a quickfire arena tour that had posted their best-ever live figures.

 

But Ellipsis just kind of stumbled out of the gate in 2016, and there you have it. You also had a period there where Glastonbury fully swung to stadium-level headliners: the six in 2016 and 2017 were all very big.

[NorthernSoul52]

Where has the Yungblud chat come from, anywho?

[wro_lap]

1 hour ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

I think I can concur with that. They hit number one off one of those for the first time, didn't they?

Yep! Part two was their only number one to date. Can't help but feel the golden opportunity would've come if they just did the arena tour that year and only put out one album, plus maybe the Park secret set

[NorthernSoul52]

For the best laid plans of mice and men.

 

Do believe, save for an unexpected breakout, they'll be at the plateau for a while.

[foolee]

Olivia Rodrigo, Yungblud

 

Chase & Status

 

Fred Again, Sabrina Carpenter

 

Biffy Clyro

 

Rihanna, Jack White

 

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

[northernangel]

2 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

I maintain that, if Biffy hadn't taken 2015 off, they'd have been in the frame as a call-up when Foo Fighters had to pull the plug.

 

Post-Opposites, pre-Ellipsis. Major headline shows in the past few years and a quickfire arena tour that had posted their best-ever live figures.

 

But Ellipsis just kind of stumbled out of the gate in 2016, and there you have it. You also had a period there where Glastonbury fully swung to stadium-level headliners: the six in 2016 and 2017 were all very big.

About spot on

8 minutes ago, foolee said:

Olivia Rodrigo, Yungblud

 

Chase & Status

 

Fred Again, Sabrina Carpenter

 

Biffy Clyro

 

Rihanna, Jack White

 

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

I think it's a good stab but Sabrina I doubt gets the sub. I don't think they'll give Jack Sunday sub.

[gfa]

4 hours ago, northernangel said:

Not necessarily, judging by this year and various other years I think they are getting 1hr 15 regardless and they were the Pyramid sub in 2017 that got the longer set. I don't see them getting the 1hr 30 on other. Given the slots they look likely to get this year I think it's Pyramid sub or nothing to play the same year but if theh were offered the Other with extra 15 I could maybe see it. I think the field though might not be big enough. I think they fit well under Olivia on Friday and there would be enough crowd movement. I can't see them under Rihanna or Stevie as I just found it too much a different act under Ed in 17 for example.

 

I'm happy though for them to get the Other slot on Sunday though but the only way I see it is if the festival don't want to book all of Jack, Yungblud and Biffy Clyro to sub. There is reason based on that to believe based on that they will book a female sub option and Yungblud I think I would see more of an act they would push on the bigger stage. It's probably a year where we have the most options for subs and other.

Biffy would definitely get the 90 minutes - its only shorter on other for acts who have like 2 albums i think?

 

3 hours ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Where has the Yungblud chat come from, anywho?

offered the slot alongside fontaines apparently (who have declined). shite act

[Justcalledtosay]

1 hour ago, foolee said:

Olivia Rodrigo, Yungblud

 

Chase & Status

 

Fred Again, Sabrina Carpenter

 

Biffy Clyro

 

Rihanna, Jack White

 

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds

That's a grim set of Subs.

[Euphoricape]

Foals were absolutely fantastic when they headlined Other Stage in '22. I agree with comment above they would be a perfect sunset Pyramid Sub. 

Edited October 17 by Euphoricape

[NorthernSoul52]

I know Sabrina Carpenter is big, but... I cannot shake this sense that it's one who - fairly or not - will drop off soon enough.

[NorthernSoul52]

1 hour ago, gfa said:

Biffy would definitely get the 90 minutes - its only shorter on other for acts who have like 2 albums i think?

If you're not one for the first three albums, their Halifax/Victorious sets were near-killer, all filler.

 

For those well-versed in Clyro tunes, I've always been a bit surprised they've not tossed Woo Woo or Pocket into sets more often. They're not singles, but as throwaway pop tunes, they're energetic blasts.