How I would fix the ticket system

[HomicidalGoat]

2 hours ago, danmarks said:

Not sure that maths stacks up. It's probability and bias. It was a long time ago but think I remember that probability is a,weird thing. 

Having two lottery tickets for example doesn't double your chances of winning.

Each one is still 1 in 50million or whatever- it seems it should follow that 2 would bring the odds down to 1 in 25millikn but it doesn't.

 

 

What.

[fraybentos1]

3 hours ago, danz026 said:

the tech knowledge to have hundreds of unique tabs on the go

it's not that complex though is it?

 

3 hours ago, danz026 said:

or the contacts in the “Glastonbury club” to be in the know how to beat the system.

you're on a forum where a thread is dedicated to the exact purpose of increasing your chances of tickets

 

 

Overall, all your suggestions cost time and money which the festival probs cba spending.

[incident]

3 hours ago, danz026 said:

Contrary to popular belief, the new system is far less gameable by bots than the old one

 

You lost me at this.

 

This is not even close to being correct.

[danmarks]

It's something about first number Is 1 in 50 chance- 2nd number is 1 in 49 chance etc all the way down to  6th number is one in 44 chance to get the odds whixh work out something  million to one.

If you get another ticket it's the same odds minus the infinitely small chance of the first ticket being the winner. 

Sure there's a better way of explaining it

[gooner1990]

8 minutes ago, gfa said:

Financially better off people would be able to either just use savings or load up credit cards whilst worse off people wouldn't

This would also skew the audience age higher too

 

Awful idea

 

Organised groups would also be completely fine with this change whereas newbies would struggle to get their group to have £2k+ in one account (£3k+ for coach).

 

So many issues with this

 

Can counter that quite easily.

 

Save up £400 (or whatever the total cost is) over the course of a year and with your trusted friends put the total amount in a Monzo account ready for ticket day - if no dice with tickets then the money get distributed back out to each person.

[deepkittycaz]

2 hours ago, MilkyJoe said:

You could have said this before I tried arguing with you!🤣

#confidentlyincorrect

[gfa]

4 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

 

Can counter that quite easily.

 

Save up £400 (or whatever the total cost is) over the course of a year and with your trusted friends put the total amount in a Monzo account ready for ticket day - if no dice with tickets then the money get distributed back out to each person.

Its a festival not a regular savings account!

[gooner1990]

Just now, gfa said:

Its a festival not a regular savings account!

 

huh?

 

How on earth do you pay for your balance in April then?

[fraybentos1]

There's nothing wrong with the deposit system, don't see why they'd fix something that isn't broken 

[fraybentos1]

4 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

 

huh?

 

How on earth do you pay for your balance in April then?

theres a difference between paying individual balances of 325 quid in april and having £2400 in a monzo in one person's name which would then cause issues at payment if 6 people would all need to use that one account come payment

[Tranquility of Solitude]

9 minutes ago, danmarks said:

It's something about first number Is 1 in 50 chance- 2nd number is 1 in 49 chance etc all the way down to  6th number is one in 44 chance to get the odds whixh work out something  million to one.

If you get another ticket it's the same odds minus the infinitely small chance of the first ticket being the winner. 

Sure there's a better way of explaining it

Nearly, but not quite…. Your first paragraph would lead to ticket certainty with 50  numbers.

 

Using a dice analogy…. the possibility of throwing a 6 if you throw 6 dice….. isn’t, understandably, 100%. The expected outcome is 1 x 6, but the probability is 1 -(5/6) to the power of 6, I.e 0.6651, or roughly 66%.
 

 

 

[gooner1990]

3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

theres a difference between paying individual balances of 325 quid in april and having £2400 in a monzo in one person's name which would then cause issues at payment if 6 people would all need to use that one account come payment

 

sorry you've lost me.

 

surely if one person gets through its the full payment in one hit.

 

why would 6 people need to get through/use the account?

[fraybentos1]

1 minute ago, gooner1990 said:

 

sorry you've lost me.

 

surely if one person gets through its the full payment in one hit.

 

why would 6 people need to get through/use the account?

6 people would potentially get through? You don't just have one person trying to get through and buy tickets, do you?

[gfa]

14 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

 

huh?

 

How on earth do you pay for your balance in April then?

You are saying people should save up £2.5k with their mates over a year and then put it in one account (also lead booker / billing name issues surely) to then pay for a festival ticket

 

Its a bit much isn't it !

 

Expecting people to have 2.5k at once is not exactly accessible! The deposit system works well there's no reason to change it

Edited 2 hours ago by gfa

[gooner1990]

2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

6 people would potentially get through? You don't just have one person trying to get through and buy tickets, do you?

 

if one person gets through then they all have the card details.

 

and given the way the new format is i doubt 2 people would get through at the same time let alone 6.

[Tiesto13]

9 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

There's nothing wrong with the deposit system, don't see why they'd fix something that isn't broken 

yeah, the deposit system about the one thing with the current system that I believe works pretty well and is fair. Is set at a high enough level that losing your deposit is something you won’t let happen lightly, but it also means that you can still feel comfortable applying for tickets this far out, presumably gives Glastonbury some much needed cash flow, and also stops them having to take nearly £400 of people before a line up is even announced.

[gooner1990]

1 minute ago, gfa said:

You are saying people should save up £2.5k with their mates over a year and then put it in one account (also lead booker / billing name issues surely) to then pay for a festival ticket

 

Its a bit much isn't it !

 

Expecting people to have 2.5k at once is not exactly accessible! The deposit system works well there's no reason to change it

 

fella, happy to discuss but you're coming across quite shouty.

[Tranquility of Solitude]

11 minutes ago, Tranquility of Solitude said:

Nearly, but not quite…. Your first paragraph would lead to ticket certainty with 50  numbers.

 

Using a dice analogy…. the possibility of throwing a 6 if you throw 6 dice….. isn’t, understandably, 100%. The expected outcome is 1 x 6, but the probability is 1 -(5/6) to the power of 6, I.e 0.6651, or roughly 66%.
 

 

 

To bring this back to the ticket process…,, if you were to assume for arguments sake the probability of any queue ID getting a ticket was 1 in 6, if you have 6 queue ID’s rather than 1, your chances increase from 1 in 6 to 2 in 3.

[Tranquility of Solitude]

[09matthewsw]

Seems to be getting some stick but I think there’s something in this. Registration serves as a log in and preregistration of your group so you can only get those you’ve signed up. There’s a similar system in place for buying tickets with my football team and it works ok. 
 

I suppose 2 issues, people will game it with multiple registrations, but there are ways around this and it doesn’t need to be any more invasive to personal privacy, we already submit photos of ourselves and this could be used as part of the approval process. 
and I guess it makes it a ballot in all but name, but I’ve always felt they could give the “super keeners” a better chance by announcing details quietly, away from social media and do the sales at short notice. But there is obvs issues with this also. 

[Lycra]

In addition to tech adjustments to stop people gaming the system with multiple devices I'd favour:-

 

1 .  All prospective individual purchasers and groups to be declared with a nominated lead booker prior to the sale.

 

2. Membership of multiple groups by registrants rendered as impossible as can be .

 

3. Only the lead booker able to purchase tickets for the group.

 

4. All prospective single purchasers and groups to be issued with a unique log on code to enable them to join the queue

 

5. Disqualify successful ticket holders from the next festival.

 

Point 5 may be controversial but 1 - 4 would greatly reduce gaming the system.

 

 

[gooner1990]

2 minutes ago, 09matthewsw said:

Seems to be getting some stick but I think there’s something in this. Registration serves as a log in and preregistration of your group so you can only get those you’ve signed up. There’s a similar system in place for buying tickets with my football team and it works ok. 
 

I suppose 2 issues, people will game it with multiple registrations, but there are ways around this and it doesn’t need to be any more invasive to personal privacy, we already submit photos of ourselves and this could be used as part of the approval process. 
and I guess it makes it a ballot in all but name, but I’ve always felt they could give the “super keeners” a better chance by announcing details quietly, away from social media and do the sales at short notice. But there is obvs issues with this also. 

 

When I buy away tickets for Arsenal, you first log in as you with your reg number, then you select your amount of  tickets, then you add the other reg numbers for the amount of tickets you want, then you checkout.  Its quite simple.

 

Whether GFL/See would want to implement a system where if person x gets through then the additional 5 people are already pre determined I'm not sure?

[gfa]

15 minutes ago, gooner1990 said:

 

fella, happy to discuss but you're coming across quite shouty.

Removing deposits will only benefit regulars / organised people.

 

I would love it but there's clear issues as said.

 

It will impact diversity, skew the festival older among other things.

 

Its unreasonable to expect people to save up that much money for the deposit overtime I think. If they want to remove deposits they should add Klarna I think (which is also silly).

EDIT: tl;dr really is theres far better ways than removing deposits to crack down if they wanted to, but they cleared aren't that bothered

Edited 1 hour ago by gfa

[fraybentos1]

15 minutes ago, Tiesto13 said:

and also stops them having to take nearly £400 of people before a line up is even announced.

Yeah, although the festival is insanely popular atm they won't take that for granted imo. They don't want to dampen demand too much.

[Gnomicide]

3 hours ago, MilkyJoe said:

You could have said this before I tried arguing with you!🤣