Man arrested after secret filming shared on TikTok

[Alvoram]

1 hour ago, SticklinchJoe said:

 

The closest thing I've seen that's similar to this is go pro videos of someone walking on an exotic beach, and is titled as such ("Walking in Miami Beach" or something like that). There are lots of women in bikinis, and I think that might've been the main reason for the video. BUT, it was also just some person walking on the beach, which could be useful for potential holiday goers. So should be assume the worst?

 

I assume it was a guy taking the video, but it could've been a woman. I don't know if the gender or the sexual orientation of the person has an impact of whether the action is right or wrong. A woman would get just as many clicks from such a video as a man...then we go down the rabbit hole of 'what is gender?' lol

You mean like this one.

I think the 'highlights reel' at the start makes the video's intentions clear enough, don't they? 

And it's a bloke, a bloke who lives (or at least studied) in Sweden, as his older 'student days' videos are still up.

 

If you think this is acceptable behaviour then we're probably never going to agree. I 'believe' that in Spain you also need to ask permission to film somebody in public, if you're close to the subject and they're recognisable or if you single out a subject. So this act in itself is seemingly illegal(*). I don't think this will come under 'right to panorama,' but then again, with no actual understanding of Spanish law, I don't really know. Point is, it's these kinds of stricter restrictions that I am worried this behaviour will lead to in the UK. 

* https://law.photography/law/street-photography-laws-in-spain 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Alvoram

[steviewevie]

28 minutes ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

But it seems like you're saying they're ashamed because they're wearing a certain type of clothing. Are you saying they wouldn't feel ashamed if they were well covered up?

You were the one that said it.

[GhostOfMaurice]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

You were the one that said it.

 

No, you tried to put those words in my mouth a few times during this discussion. But what you don't realise is that if you're saying these videos should only be illegal if the woman is wearing a certain thing, it's you who is making a distinction based on clothing. Women should be able to wear what they want, and for it not to affect the law. If the law needs to change, so be it. 

Edited 4 hours ago by GhostOfMaurice

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

No, you tried to put those words in my mouth a few times during this discussion. But what you don't realise is that if you're saying these videos should only be illegal if the woman is wearing a certain thing, it's you who is making a distinction based on clothing. Women should be able to wear what they want, and for it not to affect the law. 

jeez, ok whatever. Let's see how this case goes, if it ever becomes a case.

[thetime]

2 hours ago, Alvoram said:

 

If you think this is acceptable behaviour then we're probably never going to agree. I 'believe' that in Spain you also need to ask permission to film somebody in public, if you're close to the subject and they're recognisable or if you single out a subject. So this act in itself is seemingly illegal(*). I don't think this will come under 'right to panorama,' but then again, with no actual understanding of Spanish law, I don't really know. Point is, it's these kinds of stricter restrictions that I am worried this behaviour will lead to in the UK. 

* https://law.photography/law/street-photography-laws-in-spain 

 

 

It's hard to police up imagine. I've done street photography in Barcelona, no issues. 

 

 

[Alvoram]

6 minutes ago, thetime said:

 

It's hard to police up imagine. I've done street photography in Barcelona, no issues. 

 

 

Me too, I absolutely love Gaudi's work, and have spent lots of time photographing it (along with thousands of other tourists) and those shots obviously include other tourists at times.

I don't think they try and police it, but it's there, (apparently) and could be used to protect people from behaviour like this. Could this be where the UK is heading? 

[thetime]

7 minutes ago, Alvoram said:

I don't think they try and police it, but it's there, (apparently) and could be used to protect people from behaviour like this. Could this be where the UK is heading? 

 

I don't see an issue with tighter rules, my concern is how the police deal with and know the actual law. 

 

As not many of them know the actual law on public photography.

 

They don't know the law even on drone weight and flying. 

 

What those laws could be, I'm unsure. For example Spain is strong on personal data, even going as far as installing home security. 

 

 

[Alvoram]

18 minutes ago, thetime said:

 

I don't see an issue with tighter rules, my concern is how the police deal with and know the actual law. 

 

As not many of them know the actual law on public photography.

 

They don't know the law even on drone weight and flying. 

 

What those laws could be, I'm unsure. For example Spain is strong on personal data, even going as far as installing home security. 

 

 

No I 100% agree with you on that, they're seriously undertrained when it comes to many things. Considering their sole purpose is to uphold the law, not knowing the legality of a sub 250g drone is laughable, but most don't, and it leads to so much police time wasted, when they're called out because 'a drone is flying over my property / garden!'

[SticklinchJoe]

4 hours ago, Alvoram said:

You mean like this one.

I think the 'highlights reel' at the start makes the video's intentions clear enough, don't they? 

And it's a bloke, a bloke who lives (or at least studied) in Sweden, as his older 'student days' videos are still up.

 

If you think this is acceptable behaviour then we're probably never going to agree. I 'believe' that in Spain you also need to ask permission to film somebody in public, if you're close to the subject and they're recognisable or if you single out a subject. So this act in itself is seemingly illegal(*). I don't think this will come under 'right to panorama,' but then again, with no actual understanding of Spanish law, I don't really know. Point is, it's these kinds of stricter restrictions that I am worried this behaviour will lead to in the UK. 

* https://law.photography/law/street-photography-laws-in-spain 

 

 

Well, there are a few things here that need addressing.

 

-Why does the fact that it's a man make a difference?

 

-The only thing he is doing is filming in a public space. Anyone with eyes could go there and see these sights (man, woman, or child - which could be another rabbit hole. Do you see their choice of attire as obscene? Is that the issue? I don't think you'd be against it or even notice anything untoward if they were wearing overalls. Maybe it's our own perverted male minds that makes it seem wrong. I didn't see him verbally harassing anyone or doing anything that could constitute as stalking)

 

-I don't think any of the women in these clips could be identified from their rear ends....yet, some of the blokes wandering about could be ID'd be face 🤣

 

-I definitely DO NOT think this is acceptable. But that doesn't mean it's illegal. Most people would say cheating on your spouse is unacceptable, but you wouldn't get arrested for it. Not in the UK, at least.

 

People often use these things to push laws through that the police/government then abuse in other ways, and the public go along with it smiling just because a handful of pervs have posted things on YouTube. Suddenly the coppers are ripping phones out of your hands and confiscating all of your tech because you filmed them kicking a black man to death.