Neil Young

[judyblue110]

A real shame, but Neil is Neil. I'll always admire him for sticking to his guns.

 

It will 100% be due to the BBCs need to televise and know the setlist in advance. In 2009 the compromise seemed to be that they were allowed to show just a few songs - it did feel they were more of a "peek" into the magic, rather than something scheduled. 

[Colorblindjames]

3 minutes ago, Crazyfool01 said:

I’d suggest the coverage would be nothing like as extensive as the bbc . For all its faults and some of those being political and board appointed the bbc absolutely provides unrivalled coverage and the likes of some political parties would love to see it broken up . Whilst the festival maintains  significant success and charitable contributions due to that coverage 

Well they could ensure the coverage was extensive as part of the bid. Either way it’s clearly all become a bit too chummy if the BBC is dictating to artists what they do. 

[Colorblindjames]

2 minutes ago, judyblue110 said:

A real shame, but Neil is Neil. I'll always admire him for sticking to his guns.

 

It will 100% be due to the BBCs need to televise and know the setlist in advance. In 2009 the compromise seemed to be that they were allowed to show just a few songs - it did feel they were more of a "peek" into the magic, rather than something scheduled. 

I doubt NY or any artist would have an issue over sharing the set list in advance. Either way the bbc could simply adapt as they should be prepared to do for any live music performance. 

[steviewevie]

If channel 4 get it we could use the ad break to go for a wee.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Colorblindjames said:

Well they could ensure the coverage was extensive as part of the bid. Either way it’s clearly all become a bit too chummy if the BBC is dictating to artists what they do. 

Unless we’ve seen the contract detail I think it’s a bit early to judge personally . Don’t know about chummy if that’s an agreement already in place might be that things have understandably changed since the last time he did it . and his expectations were that he’d get similar . Can debate the number of songs that’s reasonable for them to show till the cows come home . I’d hope as a viewer that it’s the majority tbh if I were watching from my sofa 

[eddie_corrigan]

I’d guess it’s over how much they want to show. In recent years there’s seems to be a big push by the Beeb to put pyramid headliners in prime slots on tv (not just iPlayer) the festival have probably told him we’re televising your full set and he’s walking away. 

[Blisterpack]

54 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:

Got to stick to your principles, and all that jazz, but such a bizarre way to phrase it.

Sounds like an arl arse prick tbh. And I say that as a fan. There are young people making music and the comms media are developing all the time around music. The BBC being a partner in an event that is (like it or not) a part of the UK cultural landscape is totally normal. Discussions around what that might look like for the millions watching around the world doesn’t seem too ridiculous. 

[judyblue110]

Just now, Blisterpack said:

Sounds like an arl arse prick tbh. And I say that as a fan. There are young people making music and the comms media are developing all the time around music. The BBC being a partner in an event that is (like it or not) a part of the UK cultural landscape is totally normal. Discussions around what that might look like for the millions watching around the world doesn’t seem too ridiculous. 

 

Honestly, if you're a fan you'd have no issues with this. It's not like this is unprecedented. 

[judyblue110]

1 minute ago, eddie_corrigan said:

I’d guess it’s over how much they want to show. In recent years there’s seems to be a big push by the Beeb to put pyramid headliners in prime slots on tv (not just iPlayer) the festival have probably told him we’re televising your full set and he’s walking away. 

 

It's exactly that. I love the BBC coverage but it does feel like they've got greedy in recent years. Every moment needs to be televised as if it was Eastenders or the World Cup.

[Blisterpack]

3 minutes ago, judyblue110 said:

 

Honestly, if you're a fan you'd have no issues with this. It's not like this is unprecedented. 

I think the ‘statement’ is proper art arse. 

[wrongturn]

This says everything you need to know about about the festival today 

[Blisterpack]

6 minutes ago, wrongturn said:

This says everything you need to know about about the festival today 

I’ve been going for over 30 yrs and I have no idea what this makes me ‘know’ about it. 

[MEGABOWL]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

If channel 4 get it we could use the ad break to go for a wee.

The idea of it going to any commercial broadcaster is awful

[MEGABOWL]

10 minutes ago, wrongturn said:

This says everything you need to know about about the festival today 

How so, exactly?

[Colorblindjames]

3 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

The idea of it going to any commercial broadcaster is awful

Yea I used to think that too. But really is the bbc now much different?

[Colorblindjames]

13 minutes ago, wrongturn said:

This says everything you need to know about about the festival today 

Indeed. You book an artist and give them a time slot. After this everyone should butt out. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

You would think that Neil and his management would be made fully aware of the bbc involvement well before discussions about a headline appearance became serious. That would have stopped the process before all the speculation, press coverage etc . 

[judyblue110]

32 minutes ago, Blisterpack said:

I think the ‘statement’ is proper art arse. 

 

Eat a peach.

[MEGABOWL]

33 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

Yea I used to think that too. But really is the bbc now much different?

Yes. Even just for the adverts alone.

[henry bear]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

If channel 4 get it we could use the ad break to go for a wee.

Every 15 minutes?

[wrongturn]

I've been going to Glasto for decades. 

 

The fact that Glasto headliners are now beholden on who the BBC dictate will improve their viewing figures is a issue.

 

I am 100% for progression and new acts being giving the bump up. But the BBC - the mouth piece of Farage, Brexit and colonialist propaganda - should have no place influencing the line up whatsoever if the festival still espouses the ethos it claims to maintain.

 

They've sold out. Anyone that's been going for long enough can see this. This latest news is just another demonstration. 

[judyblue110]

11 minutes ago, wrongturn said:

I've been going to Glasto for decades. 

 

The fact that Glasto headliners are now beholden on who the BBC dictate will improve their viewing figures is a issue.

 

I am 100% for progression and new acts being giving the bump up. But the BBC - the mouth piece of Farage, Brexit and colonialist propaganda - should have no place influencing the line up whatsoever if the festival still espouses the ethos it claims to maintain.

 

They've sold out. Anyone that's been going for long enough can see this. This latest news is just another demonstration. 

 

I agree. I think so many of the "moments" / guest appearances in recent years have been for the benefit of the BBC audience rather than those in attendance. It's getting a bit silly - when those watching at home will judge a headliner to be poor just because they didn't have some random guest they could watch on their phones.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

How is it any different to the arrangement he would have had in place in 2009? 

[SouthbanKen]

59 minutes ago, wrongturn said:

I've been going to Glasto for decades. 

 

The fact that Glasto headliners are now beholden on who the BBC dictate will improve their viewing figures is a issue.

 

I am 100% for progression and new acts being giving the bump up. But the BBC - the mouth piece of Farage, Brexit and colonialist propaganda - should have no place influencing the line up whatsoever if the festival still espouses the ethos it claims to maintain.

 

They've sold out. Anyone that's been going for long enough can see this. This latest news is just another demonstration. 

It’s funny, I had to defend the bbc for allegations of bias from my Dad and his partner. Two more Brexity, Faragist boomers you couldn’t hope to find anywhere outside of Clacton. The fact that people on the left accuse it of the complete opposite version of bias simply proves that it tries (sometimes too hard and not always successfully) to tread a very narrow tightrope to deliver the impartiality dictated in its charter. It’s not perfect, but the fact is, it is the most trusted news channel in the U.K. and the US (YouGov 2024) for a reason.
 

Its “cosy” relationship with Glasto is massively beneficial to both parties. The awareness the festival receives by being on the countries most watched channel is massively beneficial. Its mass popularity, and its cultural significance would drop really quickly if it were on anything other than a free to air channel, and the BBC’s ability to deliver massive outside broadcast and production is significantly better than ITV or Channels 4 or 5. 
 

Glasto headliners aren’t beholden to the bbc except that the BBC presumably have the contracted right to broadcast the event for which they are the contracted broadcaster. Seems fair to me, and would presumably be the same for Sky at the IOW for example.

 

We don’t know what the BBC asked for that was so unreasonable, but I can’t imagine it was much beyond the ability to air it live and host it on the iPlayer, along with requesting a set list ahead of time. All of which seem completely reasonable to me, given their contract with the festival. The fact that some artists might have an issue with that seems to me to be an artist issue, not a festival or bbc issue. 

[sedra]

It’s probably BBC wanting to do a global livestream like this year of the headliners that he objected to and possibly interviews as well as broadcasting the whole show? 
The younger bands/artists would be happy for that exposure ( although SZA probably regretting that now) 

Neil probably wanted to be more exclusive to the festival itself ?

BbC coverage is great for those who can’t make it - was quite happy to watch all of Elton John on tv given it was the first year I couldn’t get tix. 
not sure I would be that bothered about 2 hours of Neil Young on tv. He was great in 2009 live but I wouldn’t feel I was missing anything if he isn’t there.