Neil Young

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14 hours ago, Drew3232 said:

Was chatting to someone last year at the fest. He was saying that now Emily is in charge it has become a lot more profit-driven. 

Was always on the cards as Michael’s influence dwindles. 

[incident]

3 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

I was at Coldplay and have no idea what you mean by the BBC influencing their performance and choreography.

 

Pretty sure it just means "Coldplay played to the cameras" - which of course they do, every time.

 

Don't think it's saying the BBC exercised control over them because obviously that'd be bonkers.

[Pinhead]

10 minutes ago, incident said:

 

Pretty sure it just means "Coldplay played to the cameras" - which of course they do, every time.

 

Don't think it's saying the BBC exercised control over them because obviously that'd be bonkers.

 

Wha? Aside from the whole need to wait for the countdown and broadcast synchronisation so that the BBC could show off their world streaming service and technology...

 

I too doubt the BBC controlled the Coldplay peformance - they scarely need to with Coldplay, an already unapolegetically and finely honed media experience.

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

22 minutes ago, incident said:

 

Pretty sure it just means "Coldplay played to the cameras" - which of course they do, every time.

 

Don't think it's saying the BBC exercised control over them because obviously that'd be bonkers.

 

If anything, their Jumbotron thing (and the wristbands) shows they very much care about prioritising the experience of the folk there in the field.

 

You could argue Dua Lipa's smaller stage worked better for the audience at home than for the bigger crowd - but it was very much in keeping with the nightclub aesthetics of the whole performance. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

5 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

 

Wha? Aside from the whole need to wait for the countdown and broadcast synchronisation so that the BBC could show off their world streaming service and technology...

 

I too doubt the BBC controlled the Coldplay peformance - they scarely need to with Coldplay, an already unapolegetically and finely honed media experience.

 

 

Lots of acts have countdown clocks ticking down until they hit the stage.  That Coldplay used an old BBC one from the 80s reminiscent of what was shown before kids tv programming was - I think - just an artistic choice.

[CaledonianGonzo]

FWIW I actually remember Dodgy of all bands stopping their 1995 performance on the Other Stage* to get the crowd to count down and go bananas for the Channel 4 live broadcast commencing.

 

She may have only been 16 at the time but that was the point I knew that the malign influence of Emily Eavis would doom the festival.

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Of course in those less corporate times it was actually called the NME Stage and there were folk walking round the crowd handing out free samples of Virgin Cola, but that's by the by.

[Gnomicide]

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Of course in those less corporate times it was actually called the NME Stage and there were folk walking round the crowd handing out free samples of Virgin Cola, but that's by the by.

 

I'd have stormed off in disgust to a Singstar Session in the Guardian Lounge.

[SouthbanKen]

49 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

Indeed. It’s not realistic that NY pulled out because he disagreed with the coverage and streaming requirements for headliners that have been in place for years. Negotiations would not have gone past first base. Clearly the BBC are now dictating performance and content. 

When you say “Clearly the BBC are now dictating performance and content” what actual evidence do you have for this? 

[incident]

1 minute ago, Gnomicide said:

I'd have stormed off in disgust to a Singstar Session in the Guardian Lounge.

 

Think you'll find that the Singstar Sessions were in The Crown, brought to you by Bud.

[Crazyfool01]

9 minutes ago, incident said:

 

Think you'll find that the Singstar Sessions were in The Crown, brought to you by Bud.

Smirnoff experience wasnt it ? was definately in the area of guardian lounge ? I somehow ended up with a massive inflatable Smirnoff bottle 

 

edit or maybe that was another thing entirely 

Edited Thursday at 10:54 AM by Crazyfool01

[Pinhead]

17 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

Lots of acts have countdown clocks ticking down until they hit the stage.  That Coldplay used an old BBC one from the 80s reminiscent of what was shown before kids tv programming was - I think - just an artistic choice.

 

It wasn't the old 'schools and colleges' clock that was the point - it was the fact that the performance was, for me at least, very unashamedly aligned with what the broadcaster expected and wanted (with agreement with the band of course).

 

The flirts with corporate sponsorship in the past you mention don't feel ralated to what I'm getting at as that relates to the broadcast / streaming coverage specifically? The coverage reference RE Dodgy scarely feels on anything like the scale we see now (knowing them, I can imagine they may even have been being ironic at the time), which appears intrinically embedded in how some stages are programmed and some performances are orchestrated today.

 

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Agree to disagree. Looked like a stylistic flourish, and a mountain now being made out of a molehill.

[incident]

Just now, Pinhead said:

It wasn't the old 'schools and colleges' clock that was the point - it was the fact that the performance was, for me at least, very unashamedly aligned with what the broadcaster expected and wanted (with agreement with the band of course).

 

Still don't see it as any more than a (very media savvy) band knowing how / choosing to make the best impression given the platform available to them. Probably yes also roping in the broadcaster to ensure things go well.

 

Ultimately it's still an artistic choice, even if it's not the "pure" artistry that some would like.

[CaledonianGonzo]

To be fair, the camera cutting to Jo Wiley singing Fix You in her little enclosure felt like something that hasn't happened before and is probably something that shouldn't proliferate much further.

[The Nal]

5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Agree to disagree. Looked like a stylistic flourish, and a mountain now being made out of a molehill.

 

Interesting questions being asked though when one of the GOATs tells your festival to do one 

 

  

Just now, CaledonianGonzo said:

To be fair, the camera cutting to Jo Wiley singing Fix You in her little enclosure felt like something that hasn't happened before and is probably something that shouldn't proliferate much further.

 

Urgh did that happen?

Edited Thursday at 11:07 AM by The Nal

[Colorblindjames]

23 minutes ago, SouthbanKen said:

When you say “Clearly the BBC are now dictating performance and content” what actual evidence do you have for this? 

NY’s statement is the evidence. Unless he’s lying and making up an excuse not to play. But why be so specific about the bbc? 

[Pinhead]

We shall see - I hope I'm wrong and its just where some bands or artists see themselves as very much a media / publicity driven or even media designed product or commodity more so today than ever.

[CaledonianGonzo]

3 minutes ago, The Nal said:

 

Interesting questions being asked though when one of the GOATs tells your festival to do one 

 

I think they're vaguely tangential points.  Do the BBC want to broadcast the set (and have a set of requirements for iPlayer etc as outlined by incident's post a couple of pages back) - sure.  And Shakey is entitled to not play ball with it.

 

Is it something more sinister than that, as evidenced by Coldplay having a little BBC logo on  their countdown clock.  I don't think so.

Edited Thursday at 11:10 AM by CaledonianGonzo

[The Nal]

Just now, CaledonianGonzo said:

 

I think they're vaguely tangential points.  Fo the BBC want to broadcast the set (and have a set of requirements as outlined by incident's post a couple of pages back) - sure.  And Shakey is entitled to not play ball with it.

 

Is it something more sinister than that, as evidenced by Coldplay having a little BBC logo on  their countdown clock.  I don't think so.

 

No I dont think so either but Neiler was obviously put out/pressured enough (re broadcasting, setlist in advance etc) to the point where he thought nah f**k that.

[Pinhead]

4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

To be fair, the camera cutting to Jo Wiley singing Fix You in her little enclosure felt like something that hasn't happened before and is probably something that shouldn't proliferate much further.

 

I can get behind that certainly...

[The Nal]

The Neiler's not for turning

[cheesey_toastie]

2 hours ago, mungo57 said:

not that I give a flying f**k but this makes NY the first headliner to pull out (at least publicly announce they're pulling out) without being announced doesn't it?

 

I can't think of anyone else....

Prince? 

[Ayrshire Chris]

5 minutes ago, The Nal said:

 

Interesting questions being asked though when one of the GOATs tells your festival to do one 

 

  

 

Urgh did that happen?

Yes it happened. I much prefer the cameras picking out random folk such as @Crazyfool01 in the crowd.😊. 

[incident]

I've been going back and forth on whether to post this publicly or not. But - unless they're somehow singling him out for special treatment - then whatever Neil doesn't like is somewhere within this:

 

 

For what it's worth, no mention there of setlists in advance, coordinating things, etc.

Edited Thursday at 11:17 AM by incident