Neil Young

[Old_Johno]

9 hours ago, GhostOfMaurice said:

 

He's the last of a dying breed.

A legend if you will, if only there was a slot for that. 

[Someoni]

NY headliner on Saturday basically guaranteed I was not at the Pyramid. I only want him on so the other stages may be less busy.

[Ortiz34]

43 minutes ago, -TLR- said:

 

don't agree.

 

if you're artistic integrity is being compromised by the demands of a broadcasting corporation then i think it is in the wider interest to publicise it.

 

as i said before, i couldn't care less about Neil Young, but i say good on him.

 

Fair enough, but NY comment does not explain exactly how his artistic integrity is being compromised. Hence the speculation on here. He just generally blames BBC. 

[FloopFiller]

1 minute ago, Ortiz34 said:

Fair enough, but NY comment does not explain exactly how his artistic integrity is being compromised. Hence the speculation on here. He just generally blames BBC. 

Most likely thought he could get a similar deal to 2009 with a couple of songs streamed and that’s it and when they told him no, we want the full thing, that’s how we do things now, he kicked off and released his statement. 
 

Do find it odd that negotiations got as far along as they did without this being brought up mind. Wonder if Glastonbury/BBC thought they could sneak it past him, or if he thought he could twist their arm along the way. 

[Colorblindjames]

12 hours ago, SouthbanKen said:

No, he’s not simply making his choice. If he was simply making his choice we wouldn’t know about any of this. His statement WAS him behaving immaturely. If it wasn’t it wouldn’t exist or it would have read something like this. 
 

I’d love to play Glastonbury, but I don’t want my full set to be on the bbc, I’d like to protect the specialness of a one off live event. But that is part of the deal that the festival wants. It’s a shame we can’t get to a place we all agree on, but I understand their view and they understand mine. I hope everyone has a great festival. 
 

oh, and it’s not the bbc dictating content. It’s the festival upholding their broadcast agreement that they signed and presumably believe is more beneficial to them than a one off performance by NY. 

It appears to be the BBC upholding their agreement not the festival. That imo is wrong. 

[matrainertje]

I really, really love the BBC coverage every year though.

 

I think they do a fantastic job both for the many, many people without a tickets as well as people who want to relive the weekend. 

[Colorblindjames]

I think Clairo asked for her set a couple of years ago on Woodsies not to be broadcast. I know it’s a different level but shows flexibility exists. 

[incident]

12 minutes ago, Colorblindjames said:

It appears to be the BBC upholding their agreement not the festival. That imo is wrong. 

 

No, it doesn't appear to be that at all unless you're making wild assumptions.

 

We know -

a. From his statement, that NY is unhappy about something BBC related with no real details on that.

b. What the GFL Standard Terms are for artists.

 

Anything beyond that is speculation / guesswork / assumptions. We have no idea what specifically set NY off. We have no idea whether any concessions (vs the standard terms) were offered to him, and no idea whether any change(s) came from either GFL or the BBC. We have no idea how much leeway GFL have to vary those terms without consulting with the BBC, and no idea how strongly the BBC feel about each aspect of the terms.

[Lycra]

3 hours ago, judyblue110 said:

 

But noone who bought Glastonbury tickets did so with the expectation they would see Neil Young...

That's right, but there are a huge number of music fans who would like to see him live but will never get the chance do to personal circumstances - age, health/fitness, logistics, £, crowd anxiety etc etc

A televised performance being the next best thing

Music is not the preserve of fans who are able to attend gigs.

Edited Friday at 10:24 AM by Lycra

[Colorblindjames]

36 minutes ago, incident said:

 

No, it doesn't appear to be that at all unless you're making wild assumptions.

 

We know -

a. From his statement, that NY is unhappy about something BBC related with no real details on that.

b. What the GFL Standard Terms are for artists.

 

Anything beyond that is speculation / guesswork / assumptions. We have no idea what specifically set NY off. We have no idea whether any concessions (vs the standard terms) were offered to him, and no idea whether any change(s) came from either GFL or the BBC. We have no idea how much leeway GFL have to vary those terms without consulting with the BBC, and no idea how strongly the BBC feel about each aspect of the terms.

NY criticised the BBC. 

[judyblue110]

17 minutes ago, Lycra said:

That's right, but there are a huge number of music fans who would like to see him live but will never get the chance do to personal circumstances - age, health/fitness, logistics, £, crowd anxiety etc etc

A televised performance being the next best thing

Music is not the preserve of fans who are able to attend gigs.

 

Have you heard of YouTube? It's new(ish).

[The Nal]

Hes deleted the post. Plot twist. Hes back in.

[Lemon T-wig]

44 minutes ago, Lycra said:

That's right, but there are a huge number of music fans who would like to see him live but will never get the chance do to personal circumstances - age, health/fitness, logistics, £, crowd anxiety etc etc

A televised performance being the next best thing

Music is not the preserve of fans who are able to attend gigs.

live music kind of is
what happened that meant it should be availalble to everyone for free?

[-TLR-]

46 minutes ago, Lycra said:

That's right, but there are a huge number of music fans who would like to see him live but will never get the chance do to personal circumstances - age, health/fitness, logistics, £, crowd anxiety etc etc

A televised performance being the next best thing

Music is not the preserve of fans who are able to attend gigs.

 

so every gig, that ever takes place, anywhere, ever... should be televised?

 

or just Glastonbury?

 

or just NY?

[Lycra]

32 minutes ago, judyblue110 said:

 

Have you heard of YouTube? It's new(ish).

I have and use it lots, but lots don't.

[jonnytee1]

I am a fan of Neil Youngs music but in honesty i think it was not a great choice to headline the festival. I saw him last time he headlined ( i was in the field) and although it was great for me - a lot of people didn't hang around. 

 

I know it would be a last chance to see a legend headline but in terms of singalong hits, unfortunately he's no Elton or McCartney or arguably even Stevie wonder or Billy Joel for that matter.

 

I personally think that the festival has a great opportunity here to replace NY with a much better (more suited) headliner. The questions here are if they have the will or money to do so. Its easy to bump someone up when you're already sold out for example SZA last year. 

 

[Lycra]

7 minutes ago, Lemon T-wig said:

live music kind of is
what happened that meant it should be availalble to everyone for free?

Missing the point. Artists would not be who they are and where they are without their fans.

[Lemon T-wig]

16 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Missing the point. Artists would not be who they are and where they are without their fans.

I'm not missing any point. I think you are. Neil Young fans buy his music and go to his gigs. Glastonbury on TV is not for his fans, it's an entertianment show for people who (mostly) aren't even that interested in the festival. What's shown does nothing to convey what the festival experience is. Neil Young owes them nothing.

in my opinion

[CaledonianGonzo]

Hahaha. 

 

https://m.neilyoungarchives.com/news/2/article?id=Music - GLASTONBURY

 

 

[Lucy92]

Seeing he’s self confirmed now!?

[FloopFiller]

Just now, CaledonianGonzo said:

Hahaha. 

 

https://m.neilyoungarchives.com/news/2/article?id=Music - GLASTONBURY

 

 

Lmao hilarious. Well, at least he’s back on. 

[Lucy92]

Bit embarrassing for the festival? 

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

1 minute ago, Lucy92 said:

Bit embarrassing for the festival? 

 

I'd say it's more embarrassing for Shakey's team

[-TLR-]

ha!

 

but i have to say i have enjoyed this thread - seems to be a fairly even split between those for and against BBC helping / destroying the festival.

[CaledonianGonzo]

I'm sure there's been an absolute meltdown on the farm over the last 72 hours.