PEARL JAM

[Cultseeker]

Dude you are really clutching at straws with this one. Dylan, Cobain, Lyden and so many others that are central to music history could not sing.

Where's Olivavu? He still hasn't answered my last post to him.

[pogal]

Those bands were being compared to Grunge bands, not Placebo. Two extremely different things.

[funkymunkey]

Cobain couldn't sing....................are you mad?!?!

I don't rate Dylan.

But you missed the point. Singing is part of it. I didn't suggest that it was all of it.

Edited August 9, 2006 by funkymunkey

[deutsche Harru]

Where the f**k is Olivavu?

[PaulJam]

lou reed of the velvet underground and stephen malkmus of pavement apparently have crap voices but I love their music. Two of my favourite bands of all time.

Id take them over mariah and whitney any day.

[funkymunkey]

who chuffing cares?

[moss265]

Happy Birthday!!!

[PaulJam]

actually i think the worst voice ive ever heard is billy corgan of the smashing pumpkins.

But you get used to it.

...even grow to love it. I wouldn't want to hear anyone else sing Rhinoceros or 1979.

[funkymunkey]

lou reed of the velvet underground and stephen malkmus of pavement apparently have crap voices but I love their music. Two of my favourite bands of all time.

Id take them over mariah and whitney any day.

[Cultseeker]

Indeed, but I would hardly call Tad, J Mascis or Mark Arm great singers. So would you simply dismiss them under your rules?

[moss265]

iLiKETRAiNS are absolutely brilliant

[PaulJam]

Cobain couldn't sing....................are you mad?!?!

[Cultseeker]

1. He had a powerful and emotional voice but nothing like the range of Bono, Buckley, Cornell, Tyler, Dickinson, Patton, Rose etc.

2. The point still remains valid.

3. That's what I'm saying as well. Except that you dismissed the bands becasue of the voices singers.

Where the f**k is Olivavu?

Edited August 9, 2006 by Cultseeker

[pogal]

What!?!?!

Where did I say that it was a rule of extraction? I merely said that it was one variable in the configuration of whether something was good or not. So big is this factor in Pulp and Blurs case I felt it warranted highlighting.

[Cultseeker]

See, Cobain didn't have a great voice, technically. But it was raw with with emotion and very powerful. Sure, his voice may have broke ten times per song, but it was this kind of vulnerability that endeared him to his audience.

Edited August 9, 2006 by Cultseeker

[PaulJam]

What!?!?!

Where did I say that it was a rule of extraction? I merely said that it was one variable in the configuration of whether something was good or not. So big is this factor in Pulp and Blurs case I felt it warranted highlighting.

[Cultseeker]

Right, so cutting to the chase, when you wish to discredit a band a singer who isn't technically any good is a reason for dismissing that band, but when you like someone it's just another factor that can easily be overridden by something else?

That's great, you could almost apply that to all your arguments so never actually having to confront what you're saying or answer anyone else's points...

Edited August 9, 2006 by Cultseeker

[funkymunkey]

I love the way Jarvis Cocker sings! How dare you!

Cheers funkymunky, I'll check those bands out. Have you heard anything by Neutral Milk Hotel? Not exactly the same thing, but I know a few Pavement fans who are big on em.

And in technical terms would you say he has a better voice than, lets say, Whitney Houston?

Edited August 9, 2006 by funkymunkey

[pogal]

Pogal. Your inferences are terrible.

There is little of any talent in their art, so that even on the most superficial level (i.e. a nice tune or voice) you are still at a loss for any kind of talent. That is what I was suggesting.

[funkymp]

blur had/have talent, theres no denying that, but im sure someone's gonna try to

[deutsche Harru]

Pogal. Your inferences are terrible.

There is little of any talent in their art, so that even on the most superficial level (i.e. a nice tune or voice) you are still at a loss for any kind of talent. That is what I was suggesting.

[Cultseeker]

They're not terrible at all, it was just strange that the main tool you used to discredit those bands was one you then said wasn't particularly relevant when defending bands you like.

So, in your opinion, there is no talent in the work of any Britpop bands, including Blur?

[pogal]

Not much at all. It was the lowest, cheapest, dullest, shallow, trite musical diversion I have ever witnessed either first hand or otherwise.

It is by my tools of technicality.

If you read back over you'll see what I mean by this.

Edited August 9, 2006 by pogal

[deutsche Harru]

If you read back over you'll see what I mean by this.

As myself (how more post-modern can one get), I think he's dead.

Used to live round that way. Ya Lancastrian get.

[sifi]

what do you think of warhol et. al?